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Which Kästle to take into consideration?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi there,

 

so first, hello everyone in this community!

 

The skiing season is near - so it's time to think about equipment. I'm setting up a list of skis I definitly want to demo this year. So far I'm on Fischer Motive 76 175cm Skis which i bought two years ago after a long break from skiing. They are good skis - would definitly recommend them. I really came back to skiing fast with them, easy turning and everything. But end of last season I came to that point where I demanded more from them than they could give me. I'm no a expert skier, maybe like an ambitioned advanced. I don't go too fast (max. 50mp/h) but I ski quite aggressivly. And I am tall (196cm) and quite heavy (about 100kg fully equipped). Also i work out four times a week which gives me a lot of strenght to compensate a lack of skill ;).

 

So back to topic. I need a new Allmountain Ski which will take me about 75% on european groomers (Austria) and 25% offpiste. I'm not talking about freeskiing in 1m of powder - I would definetly die doing that. The Skis I'm taking in consideration so far are:

 

- Salomon Enduro XT800 in 182cm

- Rossignol Experience 83 in 184cm

 

What I want from my next ski:

 

 

- good edge-hold

- bit of support when it comes to floating on some fresh snow

- easy turning

 

So I talked to a friend of mine who's an really expert skier. He got himself the Kästle MX83 and really loves them. So I asked him if he would recommend them to me as a new ski and he was like "the only way that thing will take you is straigth down the hill" meaning I just couldn't controll the ski in any way because of the mentioned lack of experience in skiing. So why do I want a Kästle? I want my next ski to take me through at least the next 3-4 seasons and keep up with me. And I am quite convinced about the quality their skis have. And I am fed up with other manufacturers ski-design. I just love the plain look Kästle's have. And I don't really care about the price tag. First I will definitly buy a good condition rental ski, second it's my hobby. Hobbies cost a lot of money for no reason, it's just like that when you ask me.

 

So what's your opinion? Which Kästle should I try? Which length? A FX83 in 184? A MX83 in 183 (that might kill me ;) ) ?

 

Edit: Here's a mid-season last year video of me skiing down a standard slope in my standard manner. Nothing special, just skiing. May give you an idea of my level of skiing.

 

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Edited by Dubio - 9/2/13 at 4:36am
post #2 of 22

I'm not a ski instructor so i won't comment on your skiing other than to say that is not a video of you skiing, that is a video of your skis.

post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

Haha ya thar's true. I just stumbled across that vid on my YouTube-Channel, thought it might be helpful. Thinking again it's negligible in terms of the topic...

post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by Dubio View Post

Hobbies cost a lot of money for no reason, it's just like that when you ask me.

 

So true. You are going to fit in well here, Dubio.

post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

 

So true. You are going to fit in well here, Dubio.

I am cursed. All the sports I was ever interested in were equipment-intense (skiing, golf...). I like good equipment. With good, fitting equipment I can never say it's the stuff's fault that I faceplant/slice the ball 300m away from target ;).

post #6 of 22

Well, at least you're not yacht racing... skiing is downright cheap in those terms. smile.gif

post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Yacht Racing... So so...
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btt: any suggestions on the Kästles?
post #8 of 22

Without seeing you ski, I don't know at all. I don't the MX series would be a good choice for an intermediate unless you were doing a bunch of both days and lessons... choose a slightly shorter length... the 178 MX 88 vs. the 188 for example.

post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
thanks so far! I do about 30 days a season (hope to crack 50 this year). Guess it comes up to try and error wink.gif
post #10 of 22
I'm going to have to disagree with Marko and think that the MX series are the only Kastles that Dubio should consider. At 220+ lbs. the FX, LX, AND BMX skis will not be good choices as they are too soft for a bigger skier.

I'd recommend the MX83 or MX88 for Dubio. I own the MX88 in 178cm and find it to be very user friendly at 185lbs. A bigger skier, even an intermediate, should be able to handle them without a problem. Even the 188cm is not out of the question.

Mike
post #11 of 22

No, I'm on board with you Mike... He might ski the 188 MX88. 100 kg dudes have some different considerations in ski choice without a doubt. Only suggested he try the 178 for fun. I've skied both the 178 and 188... Nice skis, but lost too much at the top end for the 178, but the 188 is a bit unwieldy compared to some other skis that feel great at 180-185. In the end, I wish the Mx 83 had about a 17m radius, but the FX 94 and 104, well, I'm pretty smitten with both in the longer length.

post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
I guess a 178cm chamber ski like the MX would give me the more edge hold with a considerable <20m radius? Damn that's what I want...
post #13 of 22

I've also been on the 188cm MX88 and found it to be a bit unwieldy for someone my size.  It sure was fun to go fast on though!

 

I also have owned the FX94 and liked it a lot, but prefer the MX88 so I sold my FX94.  Never skied the longest length of FX94 though.

 

Mike

 

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

No, I'm on board with you Mike... He might ski the 188 MX88. 100 kg dudes have some different considerations in ski choice without a doubt. Only suggested he try the 178 for fun. I've skied both the 178 and 188... Nice skis, but lost too much at the top end for the 178, but the 188 is a bit unwieldy compared to some other skis that feel great at 180-185. In the end, I wish the Mx 83 had about a 17m radius, but the FX 94 and 104, well, I'm pretty smitten with both in the longer length.

post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by MikeC View Post
 

I've also been on the 188cm MX88 and found it to be a bit unwieldy for someone my size.  It sure was fun to go fast on though!

 

I also have owned the FX94 and liked it a lot, but prefer the MX88 so I sold my FX94.  Never skied the longest length of FX94 though.

 

Mike


 

 

I'm sure our preferences have more to do with specific terrain more than the ski models themselves with the MX 88/FX 94 choice.

post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Dubio View Post
The Skis I'm taking in consideration so far are:

 

- Salomon Enduro XT800 in 182cm

- Rossignol Experience 83 in 184cm

 

What I want from my next ski:

 

 

- good edge-hold

- bit of support when it comes to floating on some fresh snow

- easy turning

 

Truthfully, I see no reason here for you to buy a Kastle. What sets them apart, IMO, is their precision and combination of snowfeel and smoothness in all conditions. What does not is being easy turning (either of the skis you mention are a lot easier; MX's and FX's require good mechanics and an attentive driver or they can come across as kinda meh), or  a "bit of support" since they will all have roughly similar float ( a few mm will have no significant impact). Edge hold, well yep, they're very grippy. But frankly, not dramatically better than the skis you mention unless you're good enough to achieve and hold high edge angles. In fact, some might find that the Sollie or any one of several Blizzards or Nordicas will be easier to dig in and make railroad tracks.

 

So what it comes down to is, you want a premium ski, price is no object, and your friend says buy a Kastle MX. Sure, go for it...:rolleyes

post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Dubio View Post
 

 And I don't really care about the price tag. First I will definitly buy a good condition rental ski, second it's my hobby. Hobbies cost a lot of money for no reason, it's just like that when you ask me.

 

If you don;t care about the price, then look new and get exactly what you want. 

 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

Truthfully, I see no reason here for you to buy a Kastle. What sets them apart, IMO, is their precision and combination of snowfeel and smoothness in all conditions. What does not is being easy turning (either of the skis you mention are a lot easier; MX's and FX's require good mechanics and an attentive driver or they can come across as kinda meh), or  a "bit of support" since they will all have roughly similar float ( a few mm will have no significant impact). Edge hold, well yep, they're very grippy. But frankly, not dramatically better than the skis you mention unless you're good enough to achieve and hold high edge angles. In fact, some might find that the Sollie or any one of several Blizzards or Nordicas will be easier to dig in and make railroad tracks.

 

So what it comes down to is, you want a premium ski, price is no object, and your friend says buy a Kastle MX. Sure, go for it...:rolleyes

 

If price IS no object, add the VIST CrossOver3 at 84 underfoot to your list, a magnificent ski at a $3,000 plus/minus price point. A ski that skis fantastic easily on par with the Kastle and even more exclusivity. 

post #17 of 22
Maybe we can find a pair of the faux leather topped Stoeckli's for him. Now that was a nuts ski, eh?

http://www.stockli.com/products/spirit-otwo-ltd
Edited by markojp - 9/6/13 at 9:18am
post #18 of 22

Intermediate, agressive and around 98 kg... Like the mx 88 in 178 but prefer the fx 84 ( 184 cm): easier for short radius turns and more "fun" in bumps ( but would have prefer the 178 here...). The mx78 is also a good all mountain for me ( but have a tendency to want to be a little too much edgy offpiste...)

Don't understand why you only want to focus on Kastle... Also like Nordica Fire Arrow 84 edt and Elan 88 xti

post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Intermediate, agressive and around 98 kg... Like the mx 88 in 178 but prefer the fx 84 ( 184 cm): easier for short radius turns and more "fun" in bumps ( but would have prefer the 178 here...). The mx78 is also a good all mountain for me ( but have a tendency to want to be a little too much edgy offpiste...)

Don't understand why you only want to focus on Kastle... Also like Nordica Fire Arrow 84 edt and Elan 88 xti

 

 

Holy crap! That'd be one of the last skis that I'd figure a self-described intermediate would like! :)

post #20 of 22
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Holy crap! That'd be one of the last skis that I'd figure a self-described intermediate would like! smile.gif
Maybe th upcoming 84 Pro, but not the EDT.
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks so far for the (more or less productive wink.gif ) tips! Time for snow, time to demo!
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post
 

 

 

Holy crap! That'd be one of the last skis that I'd figure a self-described intermediate would like! :)

 

Well... maybe I'm more advanced that I think??? Lets say advanced intermediate...

And I don't just like them; I love them!!! Carving on these is pure pleasure!!! But I have to admit they are no easy skis if you go out of groomed trails...

 

Maybe its a weight issue... You need some to be able to enjoy these skis? I talked to a guy lately who is an excellent skier but very light and he also own the fa 84 edt ( in 168 I think). He really love these skis but he said that they were a lot of work for him to bent and that he was going to change skis...

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