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post #1 of 22
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Fie !! on NorthAmerican ski mags.

I searched the net for days for a ski-review of a 2010 Elan GSX Race because I found a deal on-line and after reading this site, me bud and I scored a pair each... $ 234 SHIPPED. W/ BINDINGS. NEW. 

http://www.skionline.pl/worldskitest/13-14,przeczytaj,worldskitest-2013-tym-razem-w-bad-kleinkirchheim,70.html   

Sure it is in Polish; but before you freak... Copy the link and open with Google translate and enjoy.  There are lots of links and some trials are needed.Sometimes click the obvious and sometimes the brand logo. 

 

Real Reviews by Real skiers. 

2013-14:  " Among the testers were double world champion Mario Matt, vice world champion Hannes Reichelt,  Austrian Philipp Schörghofer,  Josef Strobl,  Christof Innerhoffer, Dominique Gisin,  Romed Bauman 

2011 had Victoria Rebensburg, and another tough old guy Marc Giradelli.  The most in depth site I have seen with brief ski-movies of some.  Lizzie Goergle is in there too. And Hans Knauss; the ex-downhill-now-camera guy at Wengen and Kitz.

 

Before you try to make a point about me buying a 4 year old ski:

I think it will be in the ball park to the recent  crop of skis that I have tried. I am amazed by how good REAL skis from the last five years have been. These new skis are just 5-10 % Better than a few years ago. Rocker be damned, BTW.  

Atomic Redster, Blizzard G-Force FS, Fischer RC Pro and Progressor, Nordica Spitfire Pro and GSR... etc. 

I must also add that at $1300-1500 per pair, I can't afford them because I ski 140 days a year .  
 ( Hah ! Volkl Werks are on sale here for $999.  I can't wait to test those puppies !) 
How much more edge-hold and damping does a Civilian skier need ? And who needs a 27 or 35 meter ski for Free-Runs without a Piste Inspection ? 50 mph is easy and quiet and then you think 50mph around civilians under rollers...  
 
It is 'nice' to find a ski site that actually speaks real content and even has real opinions.
Unfortunately this is not the case for the usual ski discussions in North America.
Even in Canada, where some of us speak 'The King's English';  the once readable "SkiCanadaMagazine" has only pictures and advertising… and lasts 'bout as long as a smoke on the crapper. 
ps:( Great reviews, here, also ( I think, another Polish site ) = Skimag.com I also think they are gone about 2010. So the reviews are old but at least you can read about the 2009 Rossi SL... " wants to throw you in the backseat and Burn you." 
pps: this has stretched out for so long I might start a thread...
post #2 of 22
I'm not sure what your point is. Epic is better than SKI? Or some other site is better than SKI? Ski reviews are just opinions. Everybody has one. If you rely on others to demo your skis, you'll end up with the perfect ski FOR THEM.
post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

Spoken like a true "ambassador".  Whatever...

I beg to differ. Words lack at the best of times; but at Epic, Ski, Skiing, SkiCanadamag. etc... they are so impoverished I blow a lot of time gleaning worthwhile words strung in useful sentences.

You are 'right': Reality is subjective; but I make my call and I am calling 'you' on 'this'...  'whatever'.

Good ski reviews are not just 'opinions'. Skis have qualities that can be named. World Cuppers "spend a lot of time" looking: i.e.: testing:  for the right ski. How do they explain what they are looking for ?

Dudes that can't speak their own language and worry about fashion; Ski-Fashion Magazines that need advertising have suspect descriptions and one ski appears as good as another. Their 'descriptions' are too brief... graphics.

 

On the 2012 test page: Find the clip of Thomas Rashcka - Product Director for Technica. He gets asked if Rocker is a big break-through - like carving skis. He wags his head and says for some people in some conditions...   He doesn't say: hell yeah. ( He is also holding a Blizz. G-Power 6.8. I have tried it and it is another in that list from my first post ) 

Well; I'll go farther than that and I'll say that for most skiers in most conditions Fat-Rockers makes it 'easier'.   So what.  

I say you loose ski performance such as Phase 1 of a turn. Most have no side-cut while their width makes stacking alignment problematic. 

Lets face it; most of our ski-time is NOT Pow-pow while 99% of the stuff in the racks is for pow-pow. Why this disconnect? 

post #4 of 22
I truly am trying to glean your essential point. You have a load of incomplete sentences. Are you trying to say, "Go to this neat ski site, it's got great reviews?". If so, thanks for the info. But there's also a site called RealSkiers.com, so not sure if you are referring to them as well or not. There's a lot of ranting, but not sure what you are ranting about. The "this site" you are talking about is THIS site (i.e., Epic)? Or another site? In which case, the word "that" might be less confusing.

Tell us what your topic is, your skis, the state of the ski industry, ski reviews, what?
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 

This might be a waste of my time. Just trying to cast a little light on the be-nighted zones.

Forgive me for having more than one point at a time. Please; do try to keep up.

Go Here http://www.realskiers.com/carving.html if you already haven't.  If you don't get it - that's your problem.  

If you have; you should understand my posts. This page is a great assessment of Carving - i.e.: modern ski technique.

It is also a bang-on statement of the dumbing-down of modern skiing for the masses. 

I read a few pages of their ski reviews and my original "ski-mag" points still hold up.

They list many,many skis. So many their categories go from Technical to Frontside to Frontside Carvers to Cruiser Groomer Skis as the years go on; with many ski models ranging from 'razors to spatulas' . There is not enough  ' information'  to make an informed choice;  Except for the Head skis described In Great Detail as an example on their carving page. This is a good ski description: with comparisons.

But for you they would be  'just opinions'... and hence "perfect skis FOR THEM".  

If on the other hand, you do somehow get this page, then; you are being deliberately stupid: probably in support of some hokey economic idea; that because people whip out their credit cards, they are actually 'skiing'. 

ps: I got your grammar hangin'... along with your keys and wallet. 


Edited by g-force - 9/2/13 at 5:31pm
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post

This might be a waste of my time. 

 

 

Definitely seems that it is.

post #7 of 22
You know, you're being unbearably nasty to someone who has been trying to understand the point of your thread. At this point, clearly you are not worth the time I've spent on this. I'm done.
post #8 of 22

I think the OP expects to find a ski review in a ski magazine that is so perfect and so detailed and so complete that by reading the report he will then know what ski to buy at a great price on line. That is not the purpose of ski reviews.

 

In Canada, for instance, there are over 800 different models of skis on sale to the public and of course different length skis of the same model handle differently. So, the purpose of the ski review is to help a buyer prepare a short list of what to demo, not a list of what to buy.

 

IMO the best ski testers are ski instructors who teach all levels of skiing and thus have a very good idea of what their students need in a particular ski and which ski might address a given skiers needs.

post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post
 

I think the OP expects to find a ski review in a ski magazine that is so perfect and so detailed and so complete that by reading the report he will then know what ski to buy at a great price on line. That is not the purpose of ski reviews.

 

 

I think you're partly right.

 

   I think the OP is also looking for validation of his personal biases towards carving skis  - and really, we all read reviews by comparing our personal , pre-existing biases against the opinions of the testers -  and I think the OP is not finding validation of narrow carver bias  in NorAM publications.   Quelle surprise.    :snoozing icon:

post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post
 

This might be a waste of my time. Just trying to cast a little light on the be-nighted zones.

Forgive me for having more than one point at a time. Please; do try to keep up.

Go Here http://www.realskiers.com/carving.html if you already haven't.  If you don't get it - that's your problem.  

If you have; you should understand my posts. This page is a great assessment of Carving - i.e.: modern ski technique.

It is also a bang-on statement of the dumbing-down of modern skiing for the masses. 

I read a few pages of their ski reviews and my original "ski-mag" points still hold up.

They list many,many skis. So many their categories go from Technical to Frontside to Frontside Carvers to Cruiser Groomer Skis as the years go on; with many ski models ranging from 'razors to spatulas' . There is not enough  ' information'  to make an informed choice;  Except for the Head skis described In Great Detail as an example on their carving page. This is a good ski description: with comparisons.

But for you they would be  'just opinions'... and hence "perfect skis FOR THEM".  

If on the other hand, you do somehow get this page, then; you are being deliberately stupid: probably in support of some hokey economic idea; that because people whip out their credit cards, they are actually 'skiing'. 

ps: I got your grammar hangin'... along with your keys and wallet. 

what you've just said;... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...

post #11 of 22
I looked back real quick at his older posts. The Tude is his normal way of expressing himself. Also, he's from Whistler and likes videos of skiing groomers. Perhaps the other skiing videos weren't usable? I find it hard to imagine skiing his hundred days a year and not hitting more powder days or, I dunno, finding some trees or something. I don't ski all that well, but I'd go nuts.

Perhaps it's a videography issue, however.
post #12 of 22
.. Wait, THAT'S IT! He's suffering from groomeritis!
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the great and useful contributions. This is just my opinion.... and my question:  Are there any adults out there ? 

Between yaz -  Sibhusky,  Eccimortal, Cantunamunch, DanoT and Mangojazz; yas gots 20,000 Posts on Epic ( must be some kinda record )   but not two of them to rub together to add to My thread and MY take on skiing EQUIPMENT, PUBLICATIONS, WEBSITES OR SKI TECHNIQUE... 

Reminds me of Steve Martin and his tennis racket handling the wise guys in "ROXANNE". 

 To re-cap the story so far:

 I read a bunch of NorthAm ski mags/web sites and came up dry on the skis I needed info on. 

 I found a site with WorldCup testers and info out the yingyang. 
 I listed a bunch of excellent/expensive skis that I had demoed.
 I slagged the usual ski-mags for being short on the English language.  
 
This series of ideas was tough to follow for someone,because; he figures, they're just opinions", so therefore; No useful information was added. I doubt he tried the links to what I considered better information about skis... by better skiers.
 
 I made a point that some web-sites, magazines and 'some posts' don't contribute much that is useful to skiing. 
 I make the point that some testers are better than others. 
 I quote another great ski that I have skied. 
 I quote the Tecnica developer " Rocker may or may not be a big deal". 
 i 'quote' an important turn-phase and ask why 97.5% of all the skis in all the racks don't have much to do with most of the snow that gets skied on.
 
 I found useful info at   http://www.realskiers.com/carving.html  - a great page about high level skiing. 
 This page had a great description about Head skis that relate to high level skiing.
 I didn't find their other ski-info very usable.
 I don't think that  " sibhusky "  reads well enough to understand my posts. But he seems to know when he is being called on it.    
 
 And then his forum buddies chime in, but:  just like Hockey the 3rd man in gets turfed; because yas' gots no useful ski info or technics to offer, either. Again: This is just my opinion, Are there any adults out there ? 
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post
 

Thanks for the great and useful contributions. This is just my opinion.... and my question:  Are there any adults out there ? 

Between yaz -  Sibhusky,  Eccimortal, Cantunamunch, DanoT and Mangojazz; yas gots 20,000 Posts on Epic ( must be some kinda record )   but not two of them to rub together to add to My thread and MY take on skiing EQUIPMENT, PUBLICATIONS, WEBSITES OR SKI TECHNIQUE... 

Reminds me of Steve Martin and his tennis racket handling the wise guys in "ROXANNE". 

 To re-cap the story so far:

 I read a bunch of NorthAm ski mags/web sites and came up dry on the skis I needed info on. 

 I found a site with WorldCup testers and info out the yingyang. 
 I listed a bunch of excellent/expensive skis that I had demoed.
 I slagged the usual ski-mags for being short on the English language.  
 
This series of ideas was tough to follow for someone,because; he figures, they're just opinions", so therefore; No useful information was added. I doubt he tried the links to what I considered better information about skis... by better skiers.
 
 I made a point that some web-sites, magazines and 'some posts' don't contribute much that is useful to skiing. 
 I make the point that some testers are better than others. 
 I quote another great ski that I have skied. 
 I quote the Tecnica developer " Rocker may or may not be a big deal". 
 i 'quote' an important turn-phase and ask why 97.5% of all the skis in all the racks don't have much to do with most of the snow that gets skied on.
 
 I found useful info at   http://www.realskiers.com/carving.html  - a great page about high level skiing. 
 This page had a great description about Head skis that relate to high level skiing.
 I didn't find their other ski-info very usable.
 I don't think that  " sibhusky "  reads well enough to understand my posts. But he seems to know when he is being called on it.    
 
 And then his forum buddies chime in, but:  just like Hockey the 3rd man in gets turfed; because yas' gots no useful ski info or technics to offer, either. Again: This is just my opinion, Are there any adults out there ? 

Your expectation that ski magazine gear tests are much more than a reflection of who spent the most advertising money are off the mark. Sorry you can't accept that reality. I also ascertain by your mention of "high level skiing", and the context, that you have your own definition of what high level skiing is, and it's a real narrow definition at that.. Lastly I don't think you post well enough for anyone to truly get your point. If you started a thread by concisely stating your point, instead of a disjointed ADHD rant, then some people may actually have a conversation with you.

post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post

Thanks for the great and useful contributions. This is just my opinion.... and my question:  Are there any adults out there ? 
Between yaz -  Sibhusky,  Eccimortal, Cantunamunch, DanoT and Mangojazz; yas gots 20,000 Posts on Epic ( must be some kinda record )   but not two of them to rub together to add to My thread and MY take on skiing EQUIPMENT, PUBLICATIONS, WEBSITES OR SKI TECHNIQUE... 
Reminds me of Steve Martin and his tennis racket handling the wise guys in "ROXANNE". 
 To re-cap the story so far:
 I read a bunch of NorthAm ski mags/web sites and came up dry on the skis I needed info on. 
 I found a site with WorldCup testers and info out the yingyang. 
 I listed a bunch of excellent/expensive skis that I had demoed.
 I slagged the usual ski-mags for being short on the English language.  
 
This series of ideas was tough to follow for someone,because; he figures, they're just opinions", so therefore; No useful information was added. I doubt he tried the links to what I considered better information about skis... by better skiers.
 
 I made a point that some web-sites, magazines and 'some posts' don't contribute much that is useful to skiing. 
 I make the point that some testers are better than others. 
 I quote another great ski that I have skied. 
 I quote the Tecnica developer " Rocker may or may not be a big deal". 
 i 'quote' an important turn-phase and ask why 97.5% of all the skis in all the racks don't have much to do with most of the snow that gets skied on.
 
 I found useful info at   http://www.realskiers.com/carving.html  - a great page about high level skiing. 
 This page had a great description about Head skis that relate to high level skiing.
 I didn't find their other ski-info very usable.
 I don't think that  " sibhusky "  reads well enough to understand my posts. But he seems to know when he is being called on it.    
 
 And then his forum buddies chime in, but:  just like Hockey the 3rd man in gets turfed; because yas' gots no useful ski info or technics to offer, either. Again: This is just my opinion, Are there any adults out there ? 

If you'd been this sober or concise when you first posted, then I'd have engaged. As it is, your nasty response to my request to clarification of your posting so that I could address it made this thread about you instead of about your now more clearly articulated issues.

But I'm still done with you.
post #16 of 22
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Your expectation that ski magazine gear tests are much more than a reflection of who spent the most advertising money are off the mark. Sorry you can't accept that reality. I also ascertain by your mention of "high level skiing", and the context, that you have your own definition of what high level skiing is, and it's a real narrow definition at that.. Lastly I don't think you post well enough for anyone to truly get your point. If you started a thread by concisely stating your point, instead of a disjointed ADHD rant, then some people may actually have a conversation with you.

 

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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post


If you'd been this sober or concise when you first posted, then I'd have engaged. As it is, your nasty response to my request to clarification of your posting so that I could address it made this thread about you instead of about your now more clearly articulated issues.

But I'm still done with you.

Jeezuz: You guys are back Again? You really are dumb.   

So; you didn't like my writing style; my Critique of Pure Skiing ?  

You certainly didn't understand the content. You certainly didn't go here:  http://www.realskiers.com/carving.html

You had nothing to worthwhile add and got pissed when I called you on it  and THEN got game mis-conducts for foul content.

You could get back in by adding SKIS, TECHNIQUE, BETTER WEBSITES... something germane to the furtherance of SKIING.  

But; best not in this thread. I am out of here,too.  

Go somewhere else and learn to read. Here is a start. 

ger·mane  

/jərˈmān/
 
Adjective
Relevant to a subject under consideration: "that is not germane to our theme".

Edited by g-force - 9/6/13 at 11:27am
post #17 of 22
Sigh.. Clearly, this old bird has NO sense...

To your points:
Quote:
I made a point that some web-sites, magazines and 'some posts' don't contribute much that is useful to skiing.
I make the point that some testers are better than others.
I quote another great ski that I have skied.
I quote the Tecnica developer " Rocker may or may not be a big deal".
i 'quote' an important turn-phase and ask why 97.5% of all the skis in all the racks don't have much to do with most of the snow that gets skied on.

- Agree, most magazines are useless for me as resources beyond winnowing the list of things to demo, and may even be "leading the witness" because if you actually remember what was said, it'll influence your demo of the ski.

- Agreed. Most testers ski way better, and certainly differently, than I do.

- As to rocker and early rise, I'm not completely sold on it, but my experience has shown that if I stick with a ski, I learn what it does and how to use it. I've been skiing forty years and the equipment has been changing, and requiring me to adapt to these changes. At some point you either learn to use your tools or spend a lot of money and ski time battling the inevitable, change.

- Because guys like longer and bigger? My "wide skis" are only 98's.

Now, how would you like to turn this into a PLEASANT discussion? If you'd spent any time here, you'd know that I get pissed far less easily than many and try to find a useful way to proceed, but am not impressed by those who rant incoherently.
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 

too little...too late. Go do some MA or restaurant reviews.

post #19 of 22
Unbelievable.
post #20 of 22

OP=refuge from TGR.

post #21 of 22
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OP=refuge from TGR.

Absolutely not.

post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post
 

Absolutely not.

I think our friend, the Cultish Carving Kook, would get destroyed on TGR.  Then again, he maybe Spook trolling the Bears from the comforts of his Mom's basement.  Question is, is his IP in the Whistler area or Indiana?

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