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I think I'm looking for a crud buster

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Wife is gonna kill me but I just can't stop thinking about a crud buster ski, something to ski variable conditions without any/much tip flapping around...

 

This year I demoed the Cochise and loved, though it was a little short at 170cm, so I would probably aim for the 177cm. But I'm trying to see what else is out there! Tried the belafonte and it was just too stiff, but again wrong size 182cm, I would probably buy the 174cm. What else should I look at?

 

Other skis: Prophet 98 172cm, Rocker2 115 178cm (still in plastic, that's why the wife is gonna kill me when I show up with new skis at home).

 

I loved the 2 days I spent on the rocker2 115 so far doing demo, love the flat tail! and I also love how easy the P98 is to ski, but I kinda hate how much it flaps in variable conditions if I ski hard!

 

Also, doesn't look like there is much overlap for a cochise in my quiver, what would you guys say? I ski almost exclusively ungrommed and off piste terrain in Idaho (Sun Valley, Boise and McCall), not tons of snow, but good quality and enjoyable snow :-)

 

me 5'5" / 150 lbs quite aggressive!

 

What good crud busters in the 100 to 110 are out there?

post #2 of 15

Have I got a ski for you. 

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
last time I was looking for a powder ski, now it's a crud buster! As they said in the other thread... it's never about what you need! :-)
post #4 of 15

Just out of curiosity, is it the tip flapping around that bothers you, or does something about the ski's stability actually change? Or put another way, what bugs you about the skis you now ski, or will when the plastic's off? I ask because a number of skis with rocker have tips that can flop a bit, but it doesn't tend to influence their real performance that much IME. Just visually disconcerting. And you already seem to have a shiny new 115 mm ski that will iron most off-piste crud/chop pretty nicely unless you like to hit north of 40 mph. At least according to the reviews.

 

And keep in mind that everything has a cost attached to its benefit. A nice beefy 100 something crud buster won't be as much fun for a guy your size in a few inches of lighter powder, which I seem to recall at Sun Valley, or in serious bumps, which I also seem to recall. In fact, what I don't recall is heavy crud like you'd want to bust in the Sierras, or B.C., or back east. But I'm sure it'd be good to have a ski just in case...

 

Yeah, I know. Epic should never ever discourage anyone from buying more gear. I'm just being perverse. th_dunno-1[1].gif


Edited by beyond - 8/14/13 at 9:41pm
post #5 of 15
Cochise is the best crudbuster I have ever been on. Granted there are a lot of skis I have never been on.

If 105mm is too much overlap, consider the bonafide.
post #6 of 15

Go directly to Nordica Heldorado, do not pass go, do not collect $200, blah, blah, blah.... Cosmetic blems at Star Haus for $389. Don't overthink this.

post #7 of 15
176 bodacious. Crud? What crud? Honestly though, the Cochise is fine. Want to end your marriage? Kastle FX 104 or 94. smile.gif
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 

Beyond, what you described is something that bothers me quite a bit on the Prophet, even though I love how playful and turny it is, it starts vibrating a little too much if I try to ski hard on it in some harder tracked snow!

 

I haven't spent much time, just two days on the rocker2 demoing, but I also found it to be quite playful and turny, really like the feel of it, more stable than the prophet 98 but not even close to the cochise or belafonte I demoed, specially the belafonte I could just point down and go straight biggrin.gif the cochise was easier to handle but again both wrong sizes, so really hard to say how I would feel with the 174 belafonte!

 

I liked the cochise a little better, like the flat underfoot, quite easy to smear turns and throw sideways, but I'm still quite curious to hear feedback from anyone that has experience with both cochise and belafonte in the right size! :-)

 

Bodacious is just too wide for me, it would be an overkill since I don't get much snow in Idaho... mad.gif About the Heldorado, it would have to have a much lower tail to attract me! Maybe I will try to get a hold of the El Capo or Vagabond to demo, but from what I hear about the Vagabond isn't quite the ski I'm after...

 

I heard good things about the FX series, might be something to consider, but I don't know if I could get convinced about spending that much frown.gif

post #9 of 15

I love that type of skiing and I much prefer a ski without rocker for crud.  If you want new there aren't too many choices of traditional full camber skis. 

post #10 of 15
The Volkl Katana is what the Blizzard Cochise dreams of being when it grows up...
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by nwjg View Post

I love that type of skiing and I much prefer a ski without rocker for crud.  If you want new there aren't too many choices of traditional full camber skis. 

 

 

Then you'd want the FX 94 or 104.

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by HarkinBanks View Post

The Volkl Katana is what the Blizzard Cochise dreams of being when it grows up...

The Cochise is the ski the Katana evolved into. 

 

MFA, check your PMs

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post #14 of 15

Yah, honestly I'm sure many of us could give great example of good crud busting ski's. But the Bonafide seems like the safe suggestion. Just a good solid ski.
 

post #15 of 15

For my money they don't come any better than the new Annex 108. This is much improved over the Sidestash.....new tip profile, little flip in the tail. 

http://k2skis.com/skis/mens/annex-108

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