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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

Do any of you use double pole plants as a drill to address some issue?  I've seen race coaches run their kids through this drill.  What's its purpose?


Anyone dislike this drill because it is ineffective or creates other issues?  

post #2 of 10
yes, as a sort of "re-centering" and/or "leveling" maneuver...primarily in shorter radius sl-gs type turns. its helpful in that if a skier finds themselves over-rotated they can use it as a movement to get back online or back in balance. also can be helpful for stabilization in a rutted, nasty course. however:

one detriment could be the overuse of double pole plants to the point where they literally become a "crutch". imo, like any thing else, use in moderation.

zenny
post #3 of 10

I prefer to call it a double pole swing, depending on the turn.  Sometimes the tips touch the snow, & other times it is just the motion.

 

The double is good as a drill to help keep from dropping the inside arm.  I know for me in my own skiing it happens almost unconsciously & instinctively to get my CoM back in balance & down the hill if I have gotten a little back or inside.  It also helps me to move forward when transitioning from flat to steep.

 

This clip shows the motion, even though I was not consciously trying to do doubles:

 

JF

post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 

So it works like a pole drag but you use it with dynamic skiing?

post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

So it works like a pole drag but you use it with dynamic skiing?

I have had great (tangible) success with the pole drag exercises, probably one of my faves.  I think the pole drag places more emphasis on creating angles & balance/pressure against the outside ski, whereas the double pole is more for bringing the CoM back over the feet & squaring to the falline.  I have had less success introducing the double pole swing than the pole drag.  It seems that it takes most people longer to develop the timing & coordination to make it effective.  Certainly there is some overlap to the benefits of each.

 

JF

post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by zentune View Post

yes, as a sort of "re-centering" and/or "leveling" maneuver...

zenny

I see the double as a "re-centering" move & the pole drag as more for "leveling" or remaining level.

post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post

I see the double as a "re-centering" move & the pole drag as more for "leveling" or remaining level.

true enough. a quick double pole touch does provide some feedback for leveling at a specific moment in time and imho, this would be more applicable for more advanced skiers who are continuously moving into and out of balance.

the pole drag definiteley provides more feedback in this regard tho, good point. smile.gif

zenny
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post

I prefer to call it a double pole swing, depending on the turn.  Sometimes the tips touch the snow, & other times it is just the motion.

 

The double is good as a drill to help keep from dropping the inside arm.  I know for me in my own skiing it happens almost unconsciously & instinctively to get my CoM back in balance & down the hill if I have gotten a little back or inside.  It also helps me to move forward when transitioning from flat to steep.

 

This clip shows the motion, even though I was not consciously trying to do doubles:

 

JF

Here is some guy doing exactly what you describe and showed in your video:

post #9 of 10
Whoa! Really? I hang out some on TelemarkTips.com forums and the DPP has been a hot topic there over the years:
Double pole plants...just stop it. Please
Tele Double Pole Plants v.1
Tele Double Pole Plants v.2
Only sucky skiers double pole plant
PSA: Danger of Double Pole Plant Video...

Too funny. There's tons more there, iconically abbreviated as DPP - it's a full-on meme. But back to your scholarly discussion, please.
post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

Whoa! Really? I hang out some on TelemarkTips.com forums and the DPP has been a hot topic there over the years:
Double pole plants...just stop it. Please
Tele Double Pole Plants v.1
Tele Double Pole Plants v.2
Only sucky skiers double pole plant
PSA: Danger of Double Pole Plant Video...

Too funny. There's tons more there, iconically abbreviated as DPP - it's a full-on meme. But back to your scholarly discussion, please.

 

LOL,  I am not much of a tele'er but I spent a few years on the old skinny ski, leather boot set up & I think the DPP saved my life a few times!

 

Sorry Honey...

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