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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

When do you use these? Or do they offer better performance than Flat Binding Mounts?

 

i.e.HEAD PRD 12 Head vs Head LX 12

post #2 of 14

A plate binding system changes the performance of a ski greatly.

Some plates are much beefier than others but they all serve to distribute the binding load across the center of the ski instead of just under the boot sole.

They allow the ski to bend into a cleaner arc and add stiffness.

They also add to stand height which gives more leverage over the ski.

I can't imagine a good carving ski without a plate mounted binding.

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

I picked up a set of Rossignol Exp83 Flat Ski 176mm for 199.00

 

I was wondering if the HEAD PRD 12 would be a descent match for this ski or should I just mount the HEAD LX 12 Flat Bindings?

post #4 of 14

Flat on dat!

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

The only reason I ask is because you look at skis like the HEAD REV 85 pro, Volkl RTM 84, K2 AMP Rictor 82, they all come with the TYROLIA or MARKER Rail type bindings. I figured this ski was in the same class, so I wasn't sure what type of binding to get?

post #6 of 14

I'm not a fan of most rail binding systems.

Clamp the ski down on a bench and put a boot in the bindings.

You will be amazed at how much you can move the boot cuff laterally due to slop in the rail system.

This gets worse with time.

If you are skiing mostly groomers a good plate system would be an upgrade on the flat mount Heads.

Rail systems are fine for convenience, adjustability and lower level skiing.

I "fix" my rail mount skis with some long screws after they are adjusted to my BSL.

Others will have a different view.

A plate system on a wide ski is like putting a hemi in a Volkswagen...it can be done but why?

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post

I'm not a fan of most rail binding systems.

Clamp the ski down on a bench and put a boot in the bindings.

You will be amazed at how much you can move the boot cuff laterally due to slop in the rail system.

This gets worse with time.

If you are skiing mostly groomers a good plate system would be an upgrade on the flat mount Heads.

Rail systems are fine for convenience, adjustability and lower level skiing.

I "fix" my rail mount skis with some long screws after they are adjusted to my BSL.

Others will have a different view.

A plate system on a wide ski is like putting a hemi in a Volkswagen...it can be done but why?

 

Can this be fixed?  I have skis with this issue.  System bindings, Sollie Tornado X-Wings.  

post #8 of 14

Here is my fix for Markers on Volkls.

Note the two screws that are vertically aligned in the pic.

Normally, these screws are about 8mm long and only engage the piece below that slides on the rail.

After I set the BSL with the knob...(don't forget this step)

I remove these screws and counterbore through the sliding piece they normally thread into with a drill bigger than the screw.

Then I drill into the ski with a drill appropriate for some new screws that are about 15 mm long.

I set these new, longer screws in the ski itself with epoxy and some torque.

This locks down the heel piece the boot rests on and cures the rock.

Of course, you can no longer adjust BSL with the knob but you do have the problem fixed.

Since this spot is very close to the place where the sliding system locks to the rail there is no effect on ski flex.

 

 

Anything for speed!

I don't know the sollies but once you get the idea there are many ways to address it.

When I first made this mod to these Racetigers I was amazed at the increased precision of the edge.

Sloppy bindings are like bad ball joints in a car...you don't realize how bad it is until it is fixed.

post #9 of 14

Thanks, dakine.  Is this wobble dangerous, or just a performance downer?  I think the boots are locked in just as well, but there is play and I wonder if it puts me in danger from bindings that won't release properly.  I just discovered this looseness late last season.  Haven't dealt with it yet.

post #10 of 14

I don't think sloppy rails affect release because the binding is on a plate.

I do think this could be a source of chatter on ice.

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

So, is there a difference in bindings mounted to plates, i.e. PowerPro Plate 9 http://www.tyrolia.com/index.php?id=230&L=0%2F%5C%22onfocus%3D%2F%5C%22blurLink%28this%29

 

and these type of bindings? PRD 12 LX 12 http://www.tyrolia.com/index.php?id=371

post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

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Originally Posted by dakine View Post

I'm not a fan of most rail binding systems.
Clamp the ski down on a bench and put a boot in the bindings.
You will be amazed at how much you can move the boot cuff laterally due to slop in the rail system.
This gets worse with time.
If you are skiing mostly groomers a good plate system would be an upgrade on the flat mount Heads.
Rail systems are fine for convenience, adjustability and lower level skiing.
I "fix" my rail mount skis with some long screws after they are adjusted to my BSL.
Others will have a different view.
A plate system on a wide ski is like putting a hemi in a Volkswagen...it can be done but why?

Can this be fixed?  I have skis with this issue.  System bindings, Sollie Tornado X-Wings.  

The cassette deck in my 1995 Civic has always been dodgy too.

Okay, so I'm indulging in a bit of materialist hyperbole, but as professional skier I think you see my well-intended point.
post #13 of 14

I know I know.

post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by Malazan View Post

So, is there a difference in bindings mounted to plates, i.e. PowerPro Plate 9 http://www.tyrolia.com/index.php?id=230&L=0%2F%5C%22onfocus%3D%2F%5C%22blurLink%28this%29

 

and these type of bindings? PRD 12 LX 12 http://www.tyrolia.com/index.php?id=371

 

These are rail bindings, which not suppose to be mounted on the plate. Get FreeFlex bindings for this plate.

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