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post #301 of 639
We might have to wait to get the answers to the hiking question. Kachina Peak was often closed to hiking because of lack of snow and/or weather. I suppose I could see circumstances where the lift was closed but the peak would be open to hiking. I could also see where hiking would be cut off when the lift was running to prevent traffic issues, hard as that might be to accept from a traditional point of view.

The Kachina Peak lift is a game-changer, so it'll probably have to open before we know how things will operate.
post #302 of 639
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

We might have to wait to get the answers to the hiking question. Kachina Peak was often closed to hiking because of lack of snow and/or weather. I suppose I could see circumstances where the lift was closed but the peak would be open to hiking. I could also see where hiking would be cut off when the lift was running to prevent traffic issues, hard as that might be to accept from a traditional point of view.

The Kachina Peak lift is a game-changer, so it'll probably have to open before we know how things will operate.

Pretty sure it has been made clear that hiking will continue. Bacon and management have made several statements to that affect, that the hiking experience is key to the resort character. I'll see if I can find references to those statements.

post #303 of 639
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We might have to wait to get the answers to the hiking question. Kachina Peak was often closed to hiking because of lack of snow and/or weather. I suppose I could see circumstances where the lift was closed but the peak would be open to hiking. I could also see where hiking would be cut off when the lift was running to prevent traffic issues, hard as that might be to accept from a traditional point of view.

The Kachina Peak lift is a game-changer, so it'll probably have to open before we know how things will operate.

Pretty sure it has been made clear that hiking will continue. Bacon and management have made several statements to that affect, that the hiking experience is key to the resort character. I'll see if I can find references to those statements.

Naturally hiking will continue to Highline, Treskow, and West Basin shots, but the question is about Kachina Peak. I'll be interested to see what you find.
post #304 of 639

I can't find the interview with Bacon where I was sure he said that hiking to Kachina would still be allowed. I did find many statements that management intends to preserver the "majority" of the hike to terrain but I can't find anything specific about Kachina. Does Taos have an uphill travel policy currently in place?

post #305 of 639
He probably meant that people will still be able to hike to the summit (the rocks with the flags). The lift stops right before it, allowing people to hike to the top.

I HIGHLY DOUBT people will still be allowed to hike the peak from Lift 2.
post #306 of 639
Just speculatin' here but people on the hike up from Cabin Chute to the Peak would seem to present a significant traffic conflict for people skiing down from taking the Peak chair to the K Chutes or Cabin Chute.
post #307 of 639
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Just speculatin' here but people on the hike up from Cabin Chute to the Peak would seem to present a significant traffic conflict for people skiing down from taking the Peak chair to the K Chutes or Cabin Chute.

Exactly my thoughts.

I just wonder how they're going to do it. Cut off he hiking after Twin Trees? How will they do that? A sign?
post #308 of 639
NM locals -- if it snows more than a foot by Wed like they're saying, how will the mountain roads be by Friday? Particularly Cimmarron pass and Taos canyon.
post #309 of 639
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Just speculatin' here but people on the hike up from Cabin Chute to the Peak would seem to present a significant traffic conflict for people skiing down from taking the Peak chair to the K Chutes or Cabin Chute.

Exactly my thoughts.

I just wonder how they're going to do it. Cut off he hiking after Twin Trees? How will they do that? A sign?

Sign+rope...maybe. Around Cabin Chute? Though I suppose they could cut it off at that part of the hike that goes around the hill after the split to Treskow Ridge/Twin Trees.
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NM locals -- if it snows more than a foot by Wed like they're saying, how will the mountain roads be by Friday? Particularly Cimmarron pass and Taos canyon.

The roads should be fine...unless they're not. wink.gif
post #310 of 639

St. Bear has a point. Good conditions at Cannon or Stowe equal most anything in the west - including da Bird. Good conditions at Mt. Washington surpass most of the west. However, that isn't fair, because the Wash is all hike up stuff. The vertical drop at the first two resorts mentioned is well over 2000 ft. Taos is 2,600 (excluding Kachina Peak), and even when that lift is open, the continuous (meaningful) vert will only be in the neighborhood of 3,100. Careful comparison of meaningful vertical drop (not cat tracks and outruns) will prove major eastern resorts to be just as good as major western ones. The east has just proven a bit more vulnerable to global warming. All global warming has done to Taos is to make it drier.

 

The snowguns got Taos through the recent doldrum. Artful grooming has allowed adequate skiing ... adequate. I have few dings on my skis, but I've stayed off Blitz,Reforma, and Al's. Too much vegetable and mineral.

 

 NOAA's "Discussion" for the next 3 days is not all that encouraging. The chart for Tues/Weds shows Heavy Snow "possible" over the region (and also Little Cottonwood Canyon). But the surest bet for good snow right now remains Austria.

post #311 of 639
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St. Bear has a point. Good conditions at Cannon or Stowe equal most anything in the west - including da Bird. 

 

Josh, that you? :D

post #312 of 639

Oh okay, forget Taos. Just gonna go to Austria instead... /s

post #313 of 639
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St. Bear has a point. Good conditions at Cannon or Stowe equal most anything in the west - including da Bird. 

Josh, that you? biggrin.gif
Lol. Nick I have to disagree. I' ve been lucky to ski Taos years ago and a bunch of places in the west. The time at Taos was late March and it had been dry for a while till the last two days when it started dumping grauple and all sorts of stuff blowing over the ridge so hard tracks were filled each run. Even before the new snow I never once said to myself "Stowe is just as good. Should have just gone there and saved." (@twochord might have disagreed esp after the new snow)
In 2003 for the first ESA I was in Utah. Skied Snowbasin, Brighton, and Alta. sadly not the Bird. It was the worst January or begining of the season in like 25 years. The NY Times had articles about how bad it was. Back in Vt it started dumping. People told me on the phone "you should be here!" Well 18" certainly would've been nice, but no way. Still rather be in Utah. Stowe or Snowbasin?? Or Alta? Even Brighton- cause the others are next door. Again twochord may differ on that but I'll take Utah. There's great terrain at those eastern mts and one can become a great skier there but hey.
post #314 of 639
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NM locals -- if it snows more than a foot by Wed like they're saying, how will the mountain roads be by Friday? Particularly Cimmarron pass and Taos canyon.

 

Here's the latest from the NWS:  "Winter Storm Warning In Effect Until 11 Am Mst Wednesday
The National Weather Service In Albuquerque Has Issued A Winter
Storm Warning For Heavy Snow Which Is In Effect Until 11 Am Mst
Wednesday. The Winter Storm Watch Is No Longer In Effect.
- Snow Accumulations 6 To 12 Inches Except 15 To 20 Inches
Across The Northwest Mountains And The Higher Peaks Of The
Sangre De Cristo Mountains. Locally Higher Amounts Are Possible
On West Facing Slopes."

 

If the forecast holds and the high peaks of the Sangres get 20 inches, TSV will most likely exceed that by a substantial amount.  Palo Flechado pass will be the area you have to keep an eye on. You encounter it soon after entering the Carson National Forest on the road from Angel Fire to Taos.  After exiting the pass, the remainder of the Taos Canyon road is relatively flat and will be plowed.

post #315 of 639
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The Kachina Peak lift is a game-changer, so it'll probably have to open before we know how things will operate.

 

To me, Kachina Peak doesn't look right with the lift.  I don't know if I'll ever get used to it.  I guess they need to put more lipstick on the pig.

post #316 of 639
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The above statements are directly related, and it's really not rocket science.  If Copper had the 34" and Taos the 44," Taos would still have less terrain open precisely because it's the steeper, rockier, and yes, Bob Lee, more interesting mountain.

Thus it makes no sense to choose the "more interesting mountain" at a time when the more interesting terrain is not covered yet.

Taos has had an average early season.  The 53% open is close to average for this time of year and the 34 -inch base is actually a bit worse than average.  If it's such a great early season, why isn't the Kachina chair open yet?  Answer: Because the current base is not adequate to open that terrain to the public.  10-15 years from now I predict we will see that the average opening date for the Kachina chair is in late January.

 

The deep pow and refills throughout the day during Christmas week would beg to differ, but whatever Tony. I guess it's all about stats, huh? :rolleyes

FWIW, I never ran over a single rock or anything while I was there. The conditions were dang near as good as it gets. When I was there, they had quite a bit of mountain open. Enough to keep me plenty stoked.

 

But perhaps you're such a hater on Taos because you're one of those folks who gets upset when the groomers have too much powder on them? But yeah, go ahead and stay at Copper. Less lift lines for the rest of us who actually appreciate incredible places like Taos (not that that's an issue at TSV). I've spent plenty of time at both mountains, and to me, there's no comparison. I can be happy living the rest of my life never going to Copper again. Taos, however, will always hold a special place in my heart. Wait a sec...why were we even talking about other mountains again? Taos rocks. Plain and simple.

post #317 of 639
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The deep pow and refills throughout the day during Christmas week would beg to differ, but whatever Tony. I guess it's all about stats, huh? :rolleyes

FWIW, I never ran over a single rock or anything while I was there. The conditions were dang near as good as it gets. When I was there, they had quite a bit of mountain open. Enough to keep me plenty stoked.

 

But perhaps you're such a hater on Taos because you're one of those folks who gets upset when the groomers have too much powder on them? But yeah, go ahead and stay at Copper. Less lift lines for the rest of us who actually appreciate incredible places like Taos (not that that's an issue at TSV). I've spent plenty of time at both mountains, and to me, there's no comparison. I can be happy living the rest of my life never going to Copper again. Taos, however, will always hold a special place in my heart. Wait a sec...why were we even talking about other mountains again? Taos rocks. Plain and simple.

 

I hope you realize you just got taken off of the Tony Crocker Christmas card list.

post #318 of 639
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Seems the only thing up for dispute is the skiability of Taos between 50-70 inches of base? All the other facts are born out.

I recall Tony C's advice for the OP was to go to Jackson in Jan and Taos in March instead of the reverse He didn't suggest the OP go somewhere else. Don't see the hate just a dispute over what's skiable at 50 inches.
 

 

This really is the question.  I also don't see the reason for the hate.   This dispute seems silly.  

 

Sure you can have fun at Taos right now with a 34 inch base.  If you have the option, though, why not ski Taos later in the year when there likely will be more terrain open?  The same applies to most Colorado areas, too.  Some Taos folks here just seem overly sensitive about this issue.

 

To answer the skiability question, how about we just track the open terrain as the base at Taos grows this year?   You can't ski something that isn't open, so the skiability can't be disputed. :rolleyes 

 

Here's what's open at Taos right now with a 34 inch base:

 

Source: http://www.skitaos.org/grooming-report

 

Everybody's opinion of what terrain needs to be open for "good" skiing is different.  For me, I'd rather wait until more of the signature terrain is open before making a trip to Taos.  That's not to say you can't have fun at Taos right now.  There is just more fun to be had at an area that has more terrain open, or at Taos later in the year.  It's hard to believe that's even in dispute.

 

Edited to put the images in the same order as they are on the grooming report.


Edited by tball - 1/12/15 at 9:43am
post #319 of 639
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Originally Posted by Nick Z Taos View Post
 

St. Bear has a point. Good conditions at Cannon or Stowe equal most anything in the west - including da Bird. Good conditions at Mt. Washington surpass most of the west. However, that isn't fair, because the Wash is all hike up stuff. The vertical drop at the first two resorts mentioned is well over 2000 ft. Taos is 2,600 (excluding Kachina Peak), and even when that lift is open, the continuous (meaningful) vert will only be in the neighborhood of 3,100. Careful comparison of meaningful vertical drop (not cat tracks and outruns) will prove major eastern resorts to be just as good as major western ones. The east has just proven a bit more vulnerable to global warming. All global warming has done to Taos is to make it drier.

 

The snowguns got Taos through the recent doldrum. Artful grooming has allowed adequate skiing ... adequate. I have few dings on my skis, but I've stayed off Blitz,Reforma, and Al's. Too much vegetable and mineral.

 

 NOAA's "Discussion" for the next 3 days is not all that encouraging. The chart for Tues/Weds shows Heavy Snow "possible" over the region (and also Little Cottonwood Canyon). But the surest bet for good snow right now remains Austria.

 

Just to be clear, I do enjoy trolling the skiers out West, but my comment from last week was in mostly in reference to the Presidential Range of the Whites, not the ski areas.  The ski areas were built on the more mellow mountains out here.

 

There is terrain that can rival just about anything out West, but it's all hike to, and probably skiable only a handful of days a year.

post #320 of 639
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This really is the question.  I also don't see the reason for the hate.   This dispute seems silly.  

 

Sure you can have fun at Taos right now with a 34 inch base.  If you have the option, though, why not ski Taos later in the year when there likely will be more terrain open?  The same applies to most Colorado areas, too.  Some Taos folks here just seem overly sensitive about this issue.

 

 

 

 

There is no hate or sensitivity about the issue but you have entirely missed the point.  The point is the disinformation that  has been put out by the snow expert based on his limited knowledge of TSV.  Taos is skiing very good right now and you may not be aware of this but terrain is sometimes open that doesn't appear on the website.  Also, one needs to know what a 34" base means and where that measurement is taken.  I can guarantee you the base is much deeper on the Highline.  I've never been to a resort that doesn't ski better as the base gets deeper.  And just about everybody who lives in the Rocky Mountains knows it snows more as the season progresses.  Those are not the issues.  Again, the issue is his advising people to miss an opportunity to ski a great mountain because his spread sheet says the skiing is lousy when he has no personal knowledge of how the area is skiing.  It is true that TSV needs more snow.  All of the western resorts need more snow because it is only January.  As long as he continues to put out disinformation, he will get called on it. 

post #321 of 639

St. Bear:

 

" ... in reference to the Presidential Range of the Whites ..."

 

Amazing how such esoterica ends up in a Taos blog. I used to ski Hillman's and Oakes Gulf early season, then switch over to Dodge's Drop and Left gully ... maybe the Chute variations, then the lip, Headwall and Snowfields, then on to Great Gulf, the Mt. Clay Pipeline and finally the perfect northern exposure of King Ravine. Very mystical places, all of them. I  have friends who took on the Chic Chok range - Mt. Jacques Cartier on the Gaspe Peninsula - Mad River Glen Afficionados. No skins, no heel lifty thingamabobs, no tellymarketers, just footsoldiers.

 

It's snowing at the moment at Taos. I am deeply appreciative of the collection of lost souls posting here. I feel part of a cult. 

 

Bob's skied reasonably well today. Bliforma is pretty darned rocky and Al's ain't much better. But it is snowing and we will snag a season out of these garbage snow flurries yet. Stand by for a report tomorrow. There is a tiny chance this flurry could produce.

post #322 of 639

Anyone heard anything on the new lift?

post #323 of 639

Not enough snow yet. The fresh snow this week was thick and gloppy and it froze in nicely, just what was needed. But still not enough. Management should force/coerce (?) the entire ski school to do at least two boot pack runs over the critical sections of Main Street - perhaps start a tradition. That would help a lot.

post #324 of 639

Man, bootpacking Main street. That'd be tough.  

  

Does anyone have any info about helping patrol sweep the mountain at the end of the day? Can anyone do it?

post #325 of 639
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Does anyone have any info about helping patrol sweep the mountain at the end of the day? Can anyone do it?

Hmmm, you should ask them, I've done it and know others that have, but we knew people.
post #326 of 639
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Does anyone have any info about helping patrol sweep the mountain at the end of the day? Can anyone do it?

 

As Bob said it never hurt to ask. They have to know and trust you or someone have to vouch for you - usually an instructor that does sweeps regularly. The first few time you will just tag along until you learn the drill. 

 

Send me a PM if you are really interested. 

post #327 of 639

It really is as simple as asking at the door of the shack at the top of 2. Employees are encouraged to stop in. They even get paid. It takes a while to be of value as a sweep person. It's not so much that they are concerned about ski ability. There is an assumption that if you are concerned enough to volunteer that things will go well. It's just that there are numerous checkpoints. If you ski by one of them, it mucks things up a bit.

post #328 of 639

So...anyone around Sunday or Monday (and probably Wed) interested in showing a Taos newb around? 

post #329 of 639




What is this run called? I skied it twice yesterday and it was so fun. But I never once saw a trail sign... It's off of the Tresckow ridge right next to Corner trees

Also thanks for the info about sweeping everyone, makes complete sense about the checkpoints.
post #330 of 639
^Looks like maybe North Face.
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