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RIP my Scott P4s - replace with what?

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Scott P4 181, last five years my everyday ski once early season hardpack is done.  My early season/frontside skis Dynastar Mythic (great hard snow and crud ski, too much work once snow gets deep).  Ski mostly Colorado - Utah, WY/MT  occasional  trips.  Me: 59, M, 150 lb, 5'8" skier for 35 years, ski just about anything, just not as fast as I once would.  The P4s are so easy to ski in nearly any condition, beefy when I need it, quick for their size, willing to rip; not so nice on hardpack but the tradeoff seems worth it.  Width at 108 seems appropriate for my everyday ski, don't really know what I'm missing re: rocker etc.  I checked out the Scott Punisher (about the same width), and the Blog and Automatic (my son's an Atomic fan) - bottom line, I'm simply boggled by the amount of choice out there.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

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Scott P4 181, last five years my everyday ski once early season hardpack is done.  My early season/frontside skis Dynastar Mythic (great hard snow and crud ski, too much work once snow gets deep).  Ski mostly Colorado - Utah, WY/MT  occasional  trips.  Me: 59, M, 150 lb, 5'8" skier for 35 years, ski just about anything, just not as fast as I once would.  The P4s are so easy to ski in nearly any condition, beefy when I need it, quick for their size, willing to rip; not so nice on hardpack but the tradeoff seems worth it.  Width at 108 seems appropriate for my everyday ski, don't really know what I'm missing re: rocker etc.  I checked out the Scott Punisher (about the same width), and the Blog and Automatic (my son's an Atomic fan) - bottom line, I'm simply boggled by the amount of choice out there.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Scott TheSki 

http://www.epicski.com/t/118601/review-2014-the-ski-by-bobbie-burns-and-scott

http://www.epicski.com/products/2014-scott-the-ski

 

Okay so that's not really a good replacement for the P4 at 108 under foot, but its a pretty sweet ski that will do pretty much anything you want.  

Other skis that you're looking at like the Automatic are really great skis.  Have you looked at the new Nordica Vagabond?  That and the Automatic are in the same category and get rave reviews. 

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The One Oh segment is chock full of some great skis. For a smaller guy I would start with the fore mentioned Vagabond (be careful, they run long), Rossi Soul7 and maybe the Blizzard Peacemaker as three good options 

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I had the 191 P4 and skied it for 5 seasons!  I put 300 days on those boards.  They are the only ski I have ever owned in which I skied until they fell apart.  The edges where worn so thin they finally cracked on one ski, tips delamed beyond repair.  Yet they still kept their pop.  They were the Toyota/Honda of the ski world. 

 

Out of curiosity, what does ski similar to the P4?  I replaced mine with Kastle BMX 108 in a 188.  Very different feel.  I really like the BMX.  It is just as easy to ski, stable, quick, stiff and floaty.  The big difference (among many) is the P4 had a soft dampness to it, where the Kastle does not.  The P4 had this heavy, bust through anything bulldozer feel. The Kastle is stable, but there have been a few times at insane speeds in weird snow where they bite back a bit (maybe because they are lighter and lack metal).  Kastle is more tour friendly. 

 

The Kastle is more refined and is a blast to ski.  But if I am being honest with myself, I slightly preferred the feel of the P4. Wish they still made them.

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that bulldozer feel, that's the part I really like about the P4, confidence that just about anything if you stay centered anything is possible.  what skis like the P4?  that is my question in a nutshell.

 

And thanks for the other recommendations, gives me a place to start.

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I've been searching for the past 4 years for something similar to my old p4's and have yet to find it.  I'm curious if the new Punisher will ski similar.  I was on the Mr Pollards Opus this past year... similar flex and feel of the p4, but not nearly as versatile and not as good in chopped up snow.  I'll be scouring ebay and craigslist in the meantime for some old p4s.

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that bulldozer feel, that's the part I really like about the P4, confidence that just about anything if you stay centered anything is possible.  what skis like the P4?  that is my question in a nutshell.

 

And thanks for the other recommendations, gives me a place to start.

 

For the bulldozer feel, try the Nordica El Capo -- basically, the Vagabond with trucknutz.  I'm a former P4 owner and demoed the El Capo last season (at Phil's suggestion) and they reminded me of all the good aspects of the P4 on firmer stuff.

 

Or if you're willing to go 8mm wider, the Moment Governor.  You should be able to get 40% off with promo code "4040," which reduces them to a ridiculous $432.  Or the Praxis GPO.

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I also have some 191 cm Scott P4s that are starting to show their age- still skiing well, but starting to delam in multiple spots. Of the current skis out there, what skis most similar?

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I haven't skied the P4's, but out of curiosity, has anyone recommended the Scott Sagebrush? It's a wider version of The Ski, I really liked both The Ski and the Sagebrush (skied The Ski last year and this year at the demos, and the Sagebrush at last years demo), @188 cm the Sagebrush is 102mm underfoot. Something to check out and/or keep your eye on.

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I skied the P4's long time back. I recall that they were fairly beefy; I think if you want to replicate the feel, something substantial. Stockli 107 or Kastle BMX105HP if you have the $$, El Capo or Helldorado if you don't. 

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I skied the P4's long time back. I recall that they were fairly beefy; I think if you want to replicate the feel, something substantial. Stockli 107 or Kastle BMX105HP if you have the $$, El Capo or Helldorado if you don't. 


 



Thanks, What about the Kastle BMX 108 that I just purchased?

FWIW, I do consider the P4s to be somewhat beefy and a really good crud buster but I didn't consider them to be overly stiff, planky or demanding- more like stable/stout enough when you wanted/needed it but also relatively user friendly. Yes a bit long and wide for short radius turns, tight bumps or trees, but a lot of fun whenever you had room (including non-icy groomers)
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Someone could make me an offer on my 181 P4s that are about 7 years old but with probably less than 30 days on them :).

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I skied the P4's long time back. I recall that they were fairly beefy; I think if you want to replicate the feel, something substantial. Stockli 107 or Kastle BMX105HP if you have the $$, El Capo or Helldorado if you don't. 


Thanks, What about the Kastle BMX 108 that I just purchased?
 

Hmmm. You should love 'em, but different feel, not as easy to get around fast, better at plundering soft chop at silly speeds. 

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Someone could make me an offer on my 181 P4s that are about 7 years old but with probably less than 30 days on them :).

Uh, think about the market value of a pair of old soft snow skis without rocker. :o 

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