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Gear Q for an Advancing Intermediate

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm looking for some advice on what gear to get..

 

I would categorize myself as an intermediate skier.  I'm pretty comfortable on blues and blacks but definitely need to work on improving my technique.  I haven't skied all that much in recent years..maybe 3-4 times per year for the last 3 years.  I'm looking to get in much more time this year and really take the next step.  I'll be mostly skiing in local east coast mountains this winter, though I'm sure I'll be taking a few trips out west to CO and tahoe.

 

so...to the gear

I've been skiing rentals for the past few years and have decided to get some gear of my own this year.  I really want something that will stay with me as I advance without being too "advanced" such that it'll hinder my development.  After talking to a few people and researching online, i'm leaning towards the Rossi Experience 83 168cm and Atomic Hawx 100.  I'd love to get your thoughts on how appropriate or not appropriates these might be for me.

 

Also, I'm 5'8", 150-160 lbs.  

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 15

I'm guessing that you will be advised to avoid a ski with a waist width of 100 as an intermediate around here.

post #3 of 15

Hi - Welcome to Epic. The E83 is a nice ski, but has a limited upside. You'll enjoy the Rossi Avenger 82 more, some new ones still around at great prices. Google. If you're lighter, get the carbon model. If heavier, the Ti, although it'll be tougher to find. And yes, starting out with a 100 mm ski is prolly not the best way to improve, although it can be done. If you live and ski back east, outside or trips west, stick with something in the 80's. The Rossi E88 is a wonderful ski for advancing intermediates, incidentally, and can be used back here for all but the hardest days. But won't be as cheap as the Avenger. Plenty of last year's models around. Would also recommend the Blizzard Bushwacker, last year's at decent prices, for your mission, if you want something lighter and livelier, better in bumps and trees, or the Nordica Steadfast or Burner if you're a bigger guy who likes to go fast on groomers. Good luck. 

post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by itpski View Post


... talking to a few people and researching online, i'm leaning towards the Rossi Experience 83 168cm and Atomic Hawx 100.  I'd love to get your thoughts on how appropriate or not appropriates these might be for me.

Also, I'm 5'8", 150-160 lbs.  

Thanks!

Nice place to start. The boots you mention... Make sure they fit. This boot has a good deal of volume and is a pretty 'soft' 100 flex. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, use a good boot fitter and keep an open mind.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies so far!

 

Just to clarify for some people, the Atomic Hawx 100 is a 100 flex boot and not a 100cm ski.

 

@beyond -- can you clarify what you mean when you say that the E83 has "limited upside?" I was actually thinking the opposite and thought that it might suit me well even after I've progressed a bit.  I imagine that I'll mostly stick to groomers, especially given that I'll be on small east coast mountains mostly.

post #6 of 15

That's right I should have recalled that - I saw 100 and assumed 100 mm in the waist.

 

Check out the 2014 Salomon Enduro RS 800 Ti skis - I am - probably good for an intermediate / advanced skier.

post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by itpski View Post

Thanks for the replies so far!

 

Just to clarify for some people, the Atomic Hawx 100 is a 100 flex boot and not a 100cm ski.

 

@beyond -- can you clarify what you mean when you say that the E83 has "limited upside?" I was actually thinking the opposite and thought that it might suit me well even after I've progressed a bit.  I imagine that I'll mostly stick to groomers, especially given that I'll be on small east coast mountains mostly.

By that I meant that AFAIK the Avenger is a wider model built out of carver design, has a stirling reputation for having grip and pop at various speeds, while the E83 is a downscaled softer snow design, will be a bit flexier, damper, and lighter, so as good or better in bumps and soft snow but not as planted on firm snow or at speed. Still a good ski, I've heard, just maybe not as likely to grow along with you as your skill set improves. Also since you live in the east, assumed you would be looking for a strong carver that could handle trips out west; if the trips are more significant to you, then I'd actually go for something like the E88 or the Bushwacker, both of which can still handle eastern snow but shine in softer conditions, have a bit more float than the E83. (Also noticed your height and weight, so I'd un-recommend the Nordies or the Avenger Ti.) 

post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 

Gotcha.  Thanks for the detailed explanation.  

 

Based on my online research (for whatever that's worth), I was thinking that a 88mm underfoot ski might be not only be too much for my current abilities but might hinder my development.  While I would love the idea of a ski that can handle both hardpack and powder, the ratio will definitely be heavily leaning towards hardpack/groomers.  Long way of saying, I think I'm still learning towards something in the low 80s.

 

As for your suggestion regarding the Avenger, your characterization of the Avenger vs. Experience definitely makes sense, esp. given that the Agenger is a complete camber with no rocker. I'm not completely convinced as idk how well a ski w/ no rocker will perform in light/medium powder but I'm seriously considering it after your explanation.  Skis.com has it  in a 162cm and 170cm.  Again, in the interest of having a ski that grows with me, I'm thinking the 170cm might be more appropriate, though I'd love to hear your thoughts if you disagree.

http://www.skis.com/Rossignol-Avenger-82-Basalt-Skis-with-TPX-Axium-120-Bindings-2012/227441P,default,pd.html

 

The Enduros that twochordcool recommended look great also, but they cost more than the Rossi's : \.

 

btw -- thank you everyone for the quick and thoughtful responses.  This is a great community.  Glad to have found you guys.

post #9 of 15
Jump over to the Nordica Blemish Sale thread for some really good deals: http://www.epicski.com/t/120945/the-nordica-blem-sale-is-live I'm similar in ability with same goals. I skied about 15-20 days last year so a little bump there. I chose the Steadfast which is 90 width. I've waivered after the fact on whether I should have gone with Burners which are low 80s width, maybe 84? I went with 170's over 178's since I am on the bubble between them at 175 lbs and the 170's should be easier. Getting them with bindings for $350 makes it easier to upgrade down the road. Regardless good advice in the thread and you can ask questions for your needs, including direct to Start Haus folks. Worth a look. Good luck.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Sportsman View Post

Jump over to the Nordica Blemish Sale thread for some really good deals: http://www.epicski.com/t/120945/the-nordica-blem-sale-is-live I'm similar in ability with same goals. I skied about 15-20 days last year so a little bump there. I chose the Steadfast which is 90 width. I've waivered after the fact on whether I should have gone with Burners which are low 80s width, maybe 84? I went with 170's over 178's since I am on the bubble between them at 175 lbs and the 170's should be easier. Getting them with bindings for $350 makes it easier to upgrade down the road. Regardless good advice in the thread and you can ask questions for your needs, including direct to Start Haus folks. Worth a look. Good luck.

For system skis, the Steadfasts and Burners are really nice (zero ramp angle so you get a nice flat stance) and like Sportsman says, you can upgrade it down the road although I don't think yo will need to. I do find the shape of these Nordicas a bit more versatile than the Rossi's when feel a bit more hard snow biased. 

post #11 of 15
I got a Head rev 80 pro for the last few days of the season, they seems to hold well on eastern hardpack,
post #12 of 15

The hawk boots are softer than they claim because of the way the boots are made. A 100 will more likely be a 90... I use to have one pair but shift to Lange xt 130 for a more stiff boot but also because the cushion in the hawk is very thick and, after one season, I felt they lacked precision and slowed me down in my progression...

 

The Avenger 82 is a really nice suggestion! I used to have one pair too and really liked them! They are really nice skis for an intermediaire to progress on! Like Behond said, they carve really nicely with a good snap and they have really really good edge grip. You should look for the 170 cm. I should have buy the 177 but had the chance to try the 170 and the 177 back to back and I really prefered the 170: shorter radius ( could turn on a dime), much more edge grip than the 177 and easier in bumps ( shorter). The 177 were more work in bumps because it is a stiff ski.

I would prefer the Ti version over the smoother one because you will overpower the later as you progress...

 

The Steadfast and Burner are really stiff skis...

 

Other suggestions: Elan xti 88, Kastle fx 84, Head rev 85...

post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by itpski View Post

Gotcha.  Thanks for the detailed explanation.  

 

Based on my online research (for whatever that's worth), I was thinking that a 88mm underfoot ski might be not only be too much for my current abilities but might hinder my development.  While I would love the idea of a ski that can handle both hardpack and powder, the ratio will definitely be heavily leaning towards hardpack/groomers.  Long way of saying, I think I'm still learning towards something in the low 80s.

 

As for your suggestion regarding the Avenger, your characterization of the Avenger vs. Experience definitely makes sense, esp. given that the Agenger is a complete camber with no rocker. I'm not completely convinced as idk how well a ski w/ no rocker will perform in light/medium powder but I'm seriously considering it after your explanation.  Skis.com has it  in a 162cm and 170cm.  Again, in the interest of having a ski that grows with me, I'm thinking the 170cm might be more appropriate, though I'd love to hear your thoughts if you disagree.

http://www.skis.com/Rossignol-Avenger-82-Basalt-Skis-with-TPX-Axium-120-Bindings-2012/227441P,default,pd.html

 

The Enduros that twochordcool recommended look great also, but they cost more than the Rossi's : \.

 

btw -- thank you everyone for the quick and thoughtful responses.  This is a great community.  Glad to have found you guys.

Don't go with the basalt! See post#12!

The Avenger 82 will be ok in up to 6 inches and even more... I skied them in 42 cm in Sutton last winter! But it was work... You can also play with bindings position on it...

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

mogsie,

 

Thanks for your thoughts.  The Avengers are looking pretty attractive given what I've read online and the enthusiasm people have for it here.  I only have one question...

 

I got my butt kicked real hard when I tried to ski powder in Heavenly a few years back.  Do you think there's a material difference in how the Experience 83 would handle powder vs. the Avenger 82 Ti (or basalt)?  I know that I'm going to be skiing mostly groomers, so this should definitely be a minor point in my decision making...but I'm thinking it might make a little difference.

post #15 of 15

Don't know, I tried the Exp 83 2 seasons ago and I didn't liked it: they felt too heavy on my feet and didn't liked them in bumps too...

It's always a matter of compromise; a good carver is on the stiff side  and a fun ski for powder is more on the supple side... I have found the Avenger 82 ti to be a good compromise... I would still have mine if I would have liked the 177 as the 170... But after a while, for me ( 6' and 210 pounds), 170 was on the short side...

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