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Beside affecting balance  ,good and not so good a pole touch offers a sensual connection to the snow  We can get information about it's surface, our attitude as a determination of balance, our speed and other information our subconscious mind takes advantage of .

I like to hold all fingers on the pole and try not to move the tips past the hands to get the input I desire along with not having them negatively affect my balance. If I feel the need to reach more I send myself down the hill because reaching is hands going , tips hoping and mass left behind. To me it's like shopping for a turn . How often do we see people shopping for turns with an extended ski pole ?  Just go already. It's a symptom of a much different situation.

 

It was nice of JASP to attempt to discuss within this thread techniques for holding and expressing the intentions of our pole use . I think that is useful conversation.

 

  We don't need much equipment to ski .,not even skis. I've skied on my boot soles but it's not very efficient. A ski pole can lead us into our intentions or block us from them in many ways. it's a learned discipline and it should be taught early and often to make the most of an important tool at our disposal

post #92 of 94
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Originally Posted by TreeFiter View Post
 

I'm not sure I see a disconnect. To me they are just two different levels.  Even the best of the best started out working one turn at a time, and taking the most forgiving lines they could find.  They just stuck with it, and got really good at it.  

 

To the average person looking at this video and comparing it to WC bump skiers, it might not be obvious, but for the most part they are the same thing. Go back to the fundamentals.  The fundamentals don't change.

 

Have to disagree in several ways. First the Rogan vid, it may be geared for the beginning/intermediate skiers however, the blocking pole plant is written up in PSIA literature for various cert levels. In addition, I still go back to way bother teaching something that needs to be forgotten later on. 

 

Second, yes we all go back to fundamentals but some fundamentals are more important than others, I should prolly let it go at that else we go back and forth on semantics. 

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Fine--keep in mind though that most people watching that video will never be wc bumpers or even anything close to it. rolleyes.gif

zenny

ok, I' ll play along.....  they may never compete at a wc level but they may desire ski a direct line. 

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Have to disagree in several ways. First the Rogan vid, it may be geared for the beginning/intermediate skiers however, the blocking pole plant is written up in PSIA literature for various cert levels. In addition, I still go back to way bother teaching something that needs to be forgotten later on. 

 

Second, yes we all go back to fundamentals but some fundamentals are more important than others, I should prolly let it go at that else we go back and forth on semantics. 

I see your point about teaching things that will later need to be unlearned.  I don't like the idea of having to unlearn bad habits, but I see it happen a lot.  Not too long ago, an instructor taught my girlfriend to make turns in a snowplow by reaching with her hands in the direction she wanted to go.  This is the exact opposite of good technique. At the same time I understood why she did it.  My girlfriend was struggling with everything else the instructor tried, so when this worked, she went with it.  Will it have to be unlearned?  Certainly, but to me it seems like it may have been a necessary stepping stone.  

 

I don't disagree with your point, but I can see situations where it might make sense.

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