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Poll Results: How stiff is your boot

Poll expired: Oct 31, 2013 This is a multiple choice poll
  • 1% of voters (2)
    150+ (yes, I'm mad)
  • 6% of voters (8)
    150
  • 1% of voters (2)
    140
  • 36% of voters (46)
    130
  • 26% of voters (33)
    120
  • 16% of voters (21)
    110
  • 7% of voters (10)
    100
  • 8% of voters (11)
    90
  • 0% of voters (0)
    80
  • 0% of voters (1)
    70
  • 1% of voters (2)
    60
  • 0% of voters (1)
    60- (yes I'm thinking of snowboarding)
126 Total Votes  
post #61 of 99

Sometimes the whir of hair dryers in the locker room after racing can be deafening.

Nobody that I know can get their plug boots off without heat.

I have always wondered what they do in the ER when a skier comes in with plug boots on and a badly broken leg.

Even cutting some of these boots off would be hard.

My well fitted 120 flex boots are hard to get on when cold thanks to my very wide feet.

A heated boot bag cures this evil and starts a skiing day right.

 

Another point....boots change flex a lot with temperature.

I can practically telemark in my 90 flex pair in slush skiing.

Most boots are 150 flex or more at zero degrees.

I used to have a pair of the old magnesium Dale Boots where the flex was controlled with springs that don't change.

Most people are not aware how much you have to adapt your skiing as boot flex changes with temperature.

post #62 of 99
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post


...I have always wondered what they do in the ER when a skier comes in with plug boots on and a badly broken leg....

I witnessed such a removal a few years back of a Dobermann 150 + driver plate and high density (hard) foam liner, with a compound tib/fib at boot top.

Six people spread the boot after it had warmed up and two people managed the leg.

I still shudder when I recall it...
post #63 of 99
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Originally Posted by cgeib View Post


I witnessed such a removal a few years back of a Dobermann 150 + driver plate and high density (hard) foam liner, with a compound tib/fib at boot top.

Six people spread the boot after it had warmed up and two people managed the leg.

I still shudder when I recall it...

 

Was it your leg?

post #64 of 99
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Originally Posted by cgeib View Post


I witnessed such a removal a few years back of a Dobermann 150 + driver plate and high density (hard) foam liner, with a compound tib/fib at boot top.

Six people spread the boot after it had warmed up and two people managed the leg.

I still shudder when I recall it...

Glad we managed to avoid such an event when we met up this past season. Whew!

post #65 of 99
i have a friend who REFUSED to let anyone cut his beloved nordica dobies off as well, despite his broken leg. pretty much the same story as above^^^^
that man loved his boots!!!

zenny
post #66 of 99

Also take note of racers all around the start house on a spring day with their boots all buried with snow packed all around them refusing to move until it is their turn to step in the start gate.


Edited by crgildart - 7/26/13 at 11:18am
post #67 of 99

It's obvious that I'm coming late to this party, but.... I weigh 145 and ski in a 90, and love em.

post #68 of 99
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Originally Posted by Abox View Post

I'm in a tight 120 and have a hard time getting my foot out after a cold day.  Anyone have serious problems taking off a 130+?


On a cold day taking off my Koflachs without 1 hours by the fireplace in the bar or 1/2 hour under the car heater increases the risk of hernia and fractured foot significantly.  On a warm day, I've figured out how to get them off with just a bit of straining, huffing and puffing, although they still occasionally bite me.

post #69 of 99

183 lbs / 120 = 1.5

post #70 of 99

Still no 80 flex entries on the poll.

Any ideas why the hole at that flex?

post #71 of 99
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgeib View Post

I witnessed such a removal a few years back of a Dobermann 150 + driver plate and high density (hard) foam liner, with a compound tib/fib at boot top.


Six people spread the boot after it had warmed up and two people managed the leg.


I still shudder when I recall it...

Was it your leg?


Hi LF,

No, thankfully not mine!

It was our friend and ESA Coach Vail SnoPro early season at Copper November 2005. He's all better now, has had the rod removed, and skiing like it never happened smile.gif
post #72 of 99

Hi guys/gals,  This thread caught my eye and after reading all the flex choices, just wondering why and how you came about choosing the flex you did?  What criteria do you use to chose your flex index?  Why would you want a stiffer flex vs. and softer flex or visa versa?  Understanding this query may help us better understand our choices or actual needs?  

 

In general stiffer boots tend to also become lower volume and firmer foam liners, which results in a closer fitting more accurate boot whereas softer flexing boots tend to be higher volume with softer foam padding.  Why is this?  

 

What are the benefits vs. handicaps of boot flexes?

 

Just some food for discussion....

post #73 of 99
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Originally Posted by bud heishman View Post

Hi guys/gals,  This thread caught my eye and after reading all the flex choices, just wondering why and how you came about choosing the flex you did?  What criteria do you use to chose your flex index?  Why would you want a stiffer flex vs. and softer flex or visa versa?  Understanding this query may help us better understand our choices or actual needs?  

 

In general stiffer boots tend to also become lower volume and firmer foam liners, which results in a closer fitting more accurate boot whereas softer flexing boots tend to be higher volume with softer foam padding.  Why is this?  

 

What are the benefits vs. handicaps of boot flexes?

 

Just some food for discussion....

I would be interested in hearing your opinion for sure, Bud.  Me ... I just do what my boot fitter tells me to do.  For the most part, that has worked well over the years.  

 

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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

Still no 80 flex entries on the poll.

Any ideas why the hole at that flex?

I can't speak for the guys ... but my tecnica attiva flames were a 80/100 flex depending on the adjustment.  The factory set the boots to 100.  That worked fine for me so I never dialed them down.

post #74 of 99
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

Still no 80 flex entries on the poll.
Any ideas why the hole at that flex?

I have a pair from trying to box store boot shop. 80 is probably the softest flex you'll find in what is at least attempting to be more of a performance fit (e.g. 100mm with a mid-grade factory liner). Kind of a flex no-man's land without bargain pricing. If anything, what you are likely getting to keep the price lower is a lower end liner because the shell may be otherwise feature identical to the next stiffness level up.
post #75 of 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud heishman View Post

Hi guys/gals,  This thread caught my eye and after reading all the flex choices, just wondering why and how you came about choosing the flex you did?  What criteria do you use to chose your flex index?  Why would you want a stiffer flex vs. and softer flex or visa versa?  Understanding this query may help us better understand our choices or actual needs?  

 

In general stiffer boots tend to also become lower volume and firmer foam liners, which results in a closer fitting more accurate boot whereas softer flexing boots tend to be higher volume with softer foam padding.  Why is this?  

 

What are the benefits vs. handicaps of boot flexes?

 

Just some food for discussion....

quite simple for me, whenever I could not bend the skis because the boots folded under pressure I moved up to an higher flex. This lead to having 2 pair of boots one purely for racing (150) and one for free-skiing (120/130) different skis different stiffness.

post #76 of 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by bud heishman View Post

Hi guys/gals,  This thread caught my eye and after reading all the flex choices, just wondering why and how you came about choosing the flex you did?  What criteria do you use to chose your flex index?  Why would you want a stiffer flex vs. and softer flex or visa versa?  Understanding this query may help us better understand our choices or actual needs?  

 

In general stiffer boots tend to also become lower volume and firmer foam liners, which results in a closer fitting more accurate boot whereas softer flexing boots tend to be higher volume with softer foam padding.  Why is this?  

 

What are the benefits vs. handicaps of boot flexes?

 

Just some food for discussion....


I got stiff boots with a hard tight-fitting liner for instant response and higher accuracy of response, the same reasons I wouldn't want higher volume softer liners.

post #77 of 99
Thread Starter 

Same as Ghost.

 

Bud,

 

As to why I didn't include (your inquire)that in the preamble.  Simple, was to pass the time before the snow comes and any serious question would have sparked a heated discussion instead of the fun intended (and truth be told I didn't think of asking, must have been the heat cool.gif). 

 

For those that do provide insight, great and if we gain any knowledge even better.

 

But this is about fun, bragging rights and few drinks just to pass the time for the die-hards.

 

Enjoy.

 

G

 

PS That hole at 80 is a puzzle though.

post #78 of 99

     Hi, Bud. For me it's about 50/50.  Half is the response as Jzamp said. I generally am either skiing on my fis legal racetiger sl or gs's or my mantras--all of which like to be driven hard. The other half as I said above is fit--95mm's is nearly perfect for me with just a bit of boot work. For softer snow conditions I just loosen the booster and the top 2 buckles a bit...I have a bunch of racer friends that also ski full time in their plugs....

 

   Having said that, I do spend about half of the time carving on (hopefully) firmish groomers and/or in courses setting/training/coaching.

     

    zenny

post #79 of 99

Here is why I like stiff boots:

 

I don't have a very good range of motion when I flex my foot upward. In a forward fall (especially at slow speed) in flat light or fog into a ditch or snow drift, a soft boot will allow me to kiss my ski tips with no binding release, and over stretch my Achilles tendon (it has happened). A stiff flex boot will only let me go so far forward and then the heel comes out of the binding. In which case I probably kiss the snow pack, but save myself from injury.

post #80 of 99

I am 6' 1" about 220 lbs. I ski a set of Nordica Speedmachine 110s.  They have seen 3 seasons and the liners are starting to get pretty sloppy.  But at the same time, they also just hit the point where they are comfy to have on my feet an entire ski day without needing to click out of them at lunch, take boot breaks, etc., so while I know I should be replacing the liners, I can't quite bring myself to do it.

 

I have a really, really, really wide foot, and have a some giant toes that create some real fit problems. The further up the line in performance, the narrower the boots tend to get, and I'm really hesitant to get into another boot that will need a huge amount of punching out to fit right.

 

Really, the biggest thing keeping me from moving to a stiffer boot is the thought of giving up 1/2 of a season working through boot pain having the shop punch out the boots incrementally to get the fit right. I'd rather spend the time of the snow.

post #81 of 99

How many of you can grab and hold your ski tips when sitting on the chair?

 

 

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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

 

 In a forward fall (especially at slow speed) in flat light or fog into a ditch or snow drift, a soft boot will allow me to kiss my ski tips with no binding release, and over stretch my Achilles tendon (it has happened). A stiff flex boot will only let me go so far forward and then the heel comes out of the binding.
post #82 of 99
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Originally Posted by skier_j View Post

my patrol jacket made by Hard Corp (try googling that sometime looking for ski wear!) is 15 years old and I still find pockets I didn;t know were there....or...more likley forgot were there!

 

Hard Corps - there's a blast from the past.

post #83 of 99
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

How many of you can grab and hold your ski tips when sitting on the chair?

 

 

Why on Earth would you want to? th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #84 of 99

Perhaps we need to bring back metal ski boots.  Roesmont FTW!

post #85 of 99
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

Why on Earth would you want to? th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

cantunamunch is going towards flexibility

post #86 of 99
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

How many of you can grab and hold your ski tips when sitting on the chair?

 

 

Why on Earth would you want to? th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

Cow Calf stretch for one. 

 

Getting the heel further back in the heel pocket than any kicking ever will, for another.

 

Keeping the back of the leg from stiffening up on a cold chair ride, for a third.

post #87 of 99

Sounds like a great way to fall off the lift or pop up your heel piece and drop a ski on someone to me...

post #88 of 99
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Sounds like a great way to fall off the lift or pop up your heel piece and drop a ski on someone to me...

 

#1 is  the  panicky mom notion, which is why, for the last 5 years or so, I always ask before I start.

#2 is unpossible, unless you pull a 300 pound bow or have your heel set at I-

 

post #89 of 99
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post


Really, the biggest thing keeping me from moving to a stiffer boot is the thought of giving up 1/2 of a season working through boot pain having the shop punch out the boots incrementally to get the fit right. I'd rather spend the time of the snow.

I know the feeling! I have 462 days in my boots. The lining is wearing through and I've got three insoles in them. The very thought of going through the break in process means I've been delaying and delaying and delaying...
post #90 of 99
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by anachronism View Post


Really, the biggest thing keeping me from moving to a stiffer boot is the thought of giving up 1/2 of a season working through boot pain having the shop punch out the boots incrementally to get the fit right. I'd rather spend the time of the snow.

I know the feeling! I have 462 days in my boots. The lining is wearing through and I've got three insoles in them. The very thought of going through the break in process means I've been delaying and delaying and delaying...

 

Wow.   That's like 100 more than my Tritech 11.50s - and the only way I can ski those is with a 3/4" thick Bomber liner.   http://bomberonline.3dcartstores.com/Boots-and-Liners_c_22.html

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