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Would unpaid volunteer patrollers pay $500 to park?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

At a resort run by an unelected government board (with senior managers on ~$150k + 4wd + ski pass + apartment + some perks), the season is pretty poor, and visitors aren't paying $40 a day to park their cars. Ratepayers were up in arms about questioned expenditure

 

Now the volunteer ski patrollers are saying they're being asked to pat the govt management board $500 to park the car. Keep this in mind if you're thinking about working as a volunteer patroller 'down under' and always ask to see the fine print.

post #2 of 25

Sounds like they don't want any volunteers.
 

post #3 of 25
I'd walk.
post #4 of 25

Sounds like a great opportunity for an entrepreneur to start up a shuttle bus route from town to the lodge.  Would folks pay $5.00 per day for round trip transportation to the ticket window and base lift?

 

There is only one resort I know of in this area that charges for parking.  It is the one closest to the medium sized town.  They charge $1.00 per day to park, I suspect just to deter the high school kids from loitering there.  The worst thing about it is that if you get there early or on a really slow day they may not have change for a $20 at the gate.

post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 

A bit like unpaid internships, they're offering the 'hope' that one day you might be professional patroller. Hmmm, I went to school with the new minister and they're looking into all sorts of stuff:

 

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases/show.php?db=special&id=300. Applying the U.S. Department of Labor’s six criteria test for determining whether interns fall within the FLSA’s trainee exception, it found that five out of the six criteria were not met. Specifically, the District Court found that Glatt and Footman:

worked as paid employees work, providing immediate advantage to their employer and performing low-level tasks not requiring specialized training. The benefits they may have received—such as knowledge of how a production or accounting office functions or references for future jobs—are the results of simply having worked as any other employee works, not of internships designed to be uniquely educational to the interns and of little utility to the employer. They received nothing approximating the education they would receive in an academic setting or vocational school.

Accordingly, considering the totality of the circumstances, the District Court concluded that Glatt and Footman were “employees” covered by the FLSA and New York state wage-and-hour laws.

Importantly, the Glatt court also certified under state law a class of unpaid interns who worked for Fox Entertainment Group (FEG) in New York, and conditionally certified a national class of unpaid interns under the FLSA. It held that class certification was appropriate because Plaintiff Antalik identified evidence that was capable of answering common questions on a classwide basis, even though there were disparate factual and employment settings among the class.

Shortly after the Glatt ruling, a former unpaid intern at Warner Music Group’s Atlantic Records filed a class action suit in New York state court alleging various wage-and-hour claims on the grounds that he should have been classified as an employee. According to the complaint, the class includes more than 100 individuals, whose job duties included things such as answering telephones, making photocopies and deliveries, preparing coffee, and getting lunch for paid employees. Similarly, on June 21, 2013, three unpaid interns sued their former employer Gawker Media LLC (an internet publisher) on a class and collective action basis in the Southern District of New York. They allege that Gawker improperly classified them as interns rather than employees to avoid paying wages in violation of the FLSA and New York state law.

Interestingly, on May 8, 2013, the District Court for the Southern District of New York denied class certification of a class of unpaid interns at Hearst Magazines in New York in Wang v. The Hearst Corporation. The Wang court found that commonality, predominance and superiority were not met because there was no common proof of the nature of the interns’ work, and liability would require an individualized inquiry into the interns’ duties, training and supervision. Even though Wang did not go forward on a class-wide basis, it nevertheless underscores that litigation by unpaid interns is on the rise, particularly in today’s economy.

 

They must need need an army of volunteers if only to go searching for the lost volunteers walking up a long long winding and icy roadwink.gif

 

 

There is a shuttle for about $45 a day, return, but it runs for tourists, not at times the patrollers do their first and last runs. And they charge vans about $60 a day. Bus operators are complaining too.

 

The government board will soon get a 'please explain'. The last 'please explain' came with an audit into a) a financial wizard who had been chased by our SEC and by another agency that uncovere a secret joint venture with his business, b) an exec who somehow got to employ family whilst buying up places that couldn't afford to pay her govt board's rent, and c) a deluge of complaints from ratepayers that went to a nice politician who is now running in our federal election. wink.gif

post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

I'd walk.

 

It just occurred to me that I should clarify.  By "walk" I mean I'd tell them to kiss my ass just before I walked out the door.  Charging volunteer patrollers for parking is unscrupulous, dishonorable, unprincipled and amoral.  Hope that clears that up.  

post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

It just occurred to me that I should clarify.    

 

I'm pretty sure we all knew what ya meant, Bob.  

I agree, too...my feeling would be if someone so clearly indicated that they place so little value on my service, then they obviously do not need my service.

 

Hell, while they're at it, why stop there?  Why not charge them for daily lift tickets also?

post #8 of 25
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Hell, while they're at it, why stop there?  Why not charge them for daily lift tickets also?

smile.gif I know, right? And on third thought, charging any employee for parking is pretty much all those things I wrote above.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by veteran View Post

At a resort run by an unelected government board (with senior managers on ~$150k + 4wd + ski pass + apartment + some perks), the season is pretty poor, and visitors aren't paying $40 a day to park their cars. Ratepayers were up in arms about questioned expenditure

Now the volunteer ski patrollers are saying they're being asked to pat the govt management board $500 to park the car. Keep this in mind if you're thinking about working as a volunteer patroller 'down under' and always ask to see the fine print.

Aus, yes? Seems like mom nature and the outrageous amount of money it costs to go skiing have precluded any hope of stable numbers of participants. At some point they'll realize that they're feeding on their own muscle, but only after it's much too late and hindsight viewed from a telescope.
post #10 of 25

Vet,

 

have you figured out how to get onto that board cause it sounds like one hell of a deal cool.gif

 

and are there term limits ???

post #11 of 25

When it comes to ski resort parking I guess we have it pretty good here in the US, rarely charged anything and free shuttles usually running on the busier days where you might be parked over a half mile from the lodge.  As for employees having to pay for parking in other professions, it does happen in congested metroplexes like Manhattan and most college campuses.  But, there are usually plenty of inexpensive public transportation options like park and ride that are closer to $45 a month than they are to nonono2.gif $45 a dayhopmad.gif

 

It seems that ample parking is one of the first HUGE considerations when planning a resort here in the US.

post #12 of 25

You should look at Squaw Valley's new plans for the village.

 

They seem like they are going to try the Australian Parking Model

post #13 of 25
It's all a smart ploy to make volunteers quit so they can hire their brother's cousin's friend with all the paid benefit. biggrin.gif
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by near nyquist View Post

You should look at Squaw Valley's new plans for the village.

 

They seem like they are going to try the Australian Parking Model


That will be the day I quit going to Squaw Valley.

post #15 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by near nyquist View Post

You should look at Squaw Valley's new plans for the village.

 

They seem like they are going to try the Australian Parking Model

 

funny you should say that - a lot of Aus govt board officials 'got the tour' of SV.

post #16 of 25

This is all about getting rid of locals and attracting more skiers "from away".

post #17 of 25
Thread Starter 

It's a grab for cash imo. The resort landowner/manager/bureaucracy 'knows' people want a 'free lift pass' and will pay them for slumlord lodging for the 'privilege' of being an unpaid intern, while the resort charges every car in this line $40/day for non-valet parking + $10 per bus passenger. Meantime they charge rentals to lodges and hotels, and the Govt subsidises them. (And you thought 'the Evil Empire' was evil. The evil empire are just naughty wink.gif

 

post #18 of 25

I don't think I have ever heard of anything crazier!  It just doesn't make sense that anyone would "volunteer" under those circumstances.  Unless ... regular season pass holders are paying a lot more so this is actually a "good" deal?  I think it's insanity at it craziest.

post #19 of 25

It might make sense if they were trying to eliminate the volunteer patrol and replace it with pros.  They did that years ago when I was on the volunteer patrol at Stevens Pass.  But as a money saving move?  This will cost them.

post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 

The early bird pricing fell from $1200 to $700.

 

There's a constant tsunamai of complaints landing on desks about the local clowncil/land manager . Volvo XC60 drivers can't get up without modifying cars. Newbies with a affordable  Euro snow chain can't get up the hill. We can't use US style thin tire chains. Service fees on landlowners went up 11%. There were massive asset write downs. VISITATIONS ARE DOWN BY 44%. The directors know two other boards, like theirs, were sacked with political intervention. Some idiots must think its smart to screw over nice volunteers ....who can talk to the MinsTers consultation panel..of people who audit.  Keep in mind that resorts a) bring big State taxes into the State's coffers and b) tourismm towns depend on resorts not turning the tourism dollar away, so stupidity costs the politicians money and votes..

post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post
 

 

It just occurred to me that I should clarify.  By "walk" I mean I'd tell them to kiss my ass just before I walked out the door.  Charging volunteer patrollers for parking is unscrupulous, dishonorable, unprincipled and amoral.  Hope that clears that up.

agree

post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 

Next winter it might be 'only' $450. Idiots. Are they surprised visitations were down 40% while flying to ski the nthrn winter was up?

post #23 of 25
So they actually went ahead and charged that? I thought they'd come to their senses and pretend they didn't say it.
post #24 of 25

I'm a volunteer.... they ask me to pay $500.00 for parking.  Should I pay?  Lemme think about that for a minute. NO.  I'd also say goodbye in a very noisy and conspicuous manner.

post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 

Politically these groups just whine among themselves and never get anywhere. I have a different philosophy and a wall full of scalps but the whiners want to keep things behind closed doors and have meetings with the politicians. Lol. After they finish their tea and scones and pat themselves on the back, the pollies go back to ignoring people.

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