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post #61 of 122

The Westwide Network reported both snowfall and water content at Wolf Creek Ski Area for 69 months between 1979 and 1995.  For those months cumulatively total water divided by total snowfall = 9.3%  This is an intermountain number similar to Jackson or Snowbird, as opposed to the continental snowpack density in the 6-7% range observed elsewhere in Colorado. 

 

There is an avalanche research paper classifying snowpacks as coastal, intermountain or continental. http://webra.cas.sc.edu/hvri/pubs/2000_SnowAvalancheClimatologyOfTheWesternUS.pdf

 

In that paper Wolf Creek is classified coastal in one season, intermountain in 14 and continental in two.  Taos has 10 intermountain seasons and 7 continental.  See tables of areas on pp. 6-7.   The decision tree for classification is on p. 9.   I believe the 4th decision (SWE > 100cm. = Coastal) is flawed as it defines 17 of Alta's seasons, 5 of Snowbird's and one of Wolf Creek's as coastal due to massive snowfalls.   I think that coastal criterion should have been snow density above a threshold like 10 or 11%.

post #62 of 122
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Originally Posted by mowmow View Post

Cascade concrete gives you burly legs.

 

Which is why I said in an earlier post that the folks fm Steamboat would have a hard time dealing with our concrete powder...
post #63 of 122
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post


You joined yesterday, have 7 posts, all of them about Steamboat. You seem heavily invested.

Naw. Just a dude who joined a site, saw some chatter about a preferred resort of mine , and chimed in. 

 

OK, not exciting enough. I'm actually Billy Kidd:

kidd_powder_steamboat.jpg

post #64 of 122
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Originally Posted by Triangle3 View Post

Naw. Just a dude who joined a site, saw some chatter about a preferred resort of mine , and chimed in. 

 

OK, not exciting enough. I'm actually Billy Kidd:

kidd_powder_steamboat.jpg


Could care less about old irrelevant skiers wearing cowboy hats. This isn't the 80's. Skiing isn't that lame anymore.

post #65 of 122
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

Could care less about old irrelevant skiers wearing cowboy hats. This isn't the 80's. Skiing isn't that lame anymore.

 

Lighten up Francis. We need a little more of that fun 80s spirit in winter sports. biggrin.gif

 

Billy's keeping that cowboy stoke alive in NW Colorado. Dude can rip! 

post #66 of 122
I just want to know how he keeps that hat on? An icon in the ski world!
post #67 of 122

And how did the get his hat ASTM/Snell certified?  

 

There is nothing lame about skiing pow like that.... unless you have champagne envy as you are stuck in concrete.

post #68 of 122
Thread Starter 

this is so much fun....  thanks for the smiles and chuckles.  when i read stuff like what has been posted my first thought is that whoever gets bored up here cant ski trees

 

 

oh and Billy(still) rocks! 

post #69 of 122

Billy Kidd is the man. I would be him, even if it meant I had to spend my days skiing at Steamboat, and even if it meant a lot of those days were spent leading a gaper parade down Vagabond. ;)

post #70 of 122

Tirangle3, wouldn't that be a pirate hat instead of a cowboy hat? 

post #71 of 122
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Originally Posted by Triangle3 View Post

 

kidd_powder_steamboat.jpg

 

Also... notice the blue sky background.  That's reason enough right there to get on an airplane out of Seattle!!!  

 

How many bluebird days do you get up there, anyway? roflmao.gif

post #72 of 122
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Originally Posted by Toadman View Post

 

Which is why I said in an earlier post that the folks fm Steamboat would have a hard time dealing with our concrete powder...

This is the most bullshit post I have seen about conditions in awhile.  My god, how can you be so clueless?

post #73 of 122

I'll never understand why so many threads have to turn into a pissing contest... th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #74 of 122
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I'll never understand why so many threads have to turn into a pissing contest... th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

 

Well right now it's because there's no snow in Steamboat, Seattle or Wolf Creeknonono2.gif....sometimes it's for other reasonsth_dunno-1[1].gif

post #75 of 122
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I'll never understand why so many threads have to turn into a pissing contest... th_dunno-1[1].gif

You know, it just occurred to me that women don't get involved in these because ... well ... it just runs down our legs. There is a life lesson in there somewhere, but I need more time

post #76 of 122
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

 

 

Well right now it's because there's no snow in Steamboat, Seattle or Wolf Creeknonono2.gif....sometimes it's for other reasonsth_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

This is pretty much every year on the boards. August rolls around, people start buying passes and thinking about skiing, The anticipation is there, without any way to do anything about it, aside from chest pound on a message board.

 

People know where I stand about Steamboat. I wouldn't fly cross country for it. I wouldn't really recommend people fly cross-country for Wolf Creek either, unless they had a very specific criteria (Wolf's amount of snow/acreage/skier visit ratio is very, very favorable, but I'm sure there are places in the PNW, where apparently nobody actually skis, that have the same benefits).

 

 I honestly think if this thread was about direct flights from Seattle to Durango, I'd still be Debbie Downering it for the generalized skiing person.

post #77 of 122

I haven't posted in this thread yet because I can't leave during the winter for more than a couple of days at a time and I don't have the resources or inclination to do that.  This means that I'm stuck with PNW skiing.  Oh, well. 

 

This whole thread should be inserted into the first world problems thread.

post #78 of 122
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

but I'm sure there are places in the PNW, where apparently nobody actually skis

 

I can't tell if this is meant to be facetious or not, but if only this were true.

post #79 of 122
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post

 

I can't tell if this is meant to be facetious or not, but if only this were true.

 

I mean that the PNW gets a ton of snow, has top tier terrain, yet skier visits are dwarfed by every other major skier region.

post #80 of 122
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

I mean that the PNW gets a ton of snow, has top tier terrain, yet skier visits are dwarfed by every other major skier region.


Because there are no real "resorts". Most slopeside accomodations consist of RV parking spaces.

post #81 of 122
Honestly pnw snow is wet real wet. Rain gear wet. There I said.
post #82 of 122
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post


Because there are no real "resorts". Most slopeside accomodations consist of RV parking spaces.

 

And this is a bad thing? Most ski areas out here wouldn't dream of letting somebody RV overnight in their lot.

post #83 of 122
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

I mean that the PNW gets a ton of snow, has top tier terrain, yet skier visits are dwarfed by every other major skier region.

 

The region definitely gets dwarfed because there aren't very many ski areas in the region compared to a Utah or Colorado, and there are no true resorts and almost no destination visitors.  But the individual ski areas here actually get more traffic than you might think.  The numbers are well below the big boys like Vail, Breck, etc. but very comparable to some other major resorts out there.  Stevens gets around 400k visitors and Snoqualmie is over 500k and Mt Hood Meadows is right around 500k, which is in line with players like Alta, Snowbird & Jackson Hole.

post #84 of 122

I'm trying to follow this but I keep wondering what people think PNW means?  Does it include B.C.?  How about Idaho and Montana?  If it does, then we have the biggest resort in NA. and several other major ones as well.  I notice that many Bears from ID and MT say that they're from the PNW, not sure about B.C.'ers idea of their regional label, but I don't notice a major change in geography when I go day skiing north of the border.

 

If PNW means just WA and OR, then, yeah, we don't have that many skier visits compared to other regions.  If it means four States and a Provence, then someone would have to furnish the statistics to show that's the case.

post #85 of 122

In my vocabulary, "PNW" means western Cascades/Coastal from N. Oregon to Whistler. With sort of a home town emphasis on the WA Cascades. The Cascade ridge is a defining climate and precipitation boundary. Even in the few miles between Stevens and Mission Ridge, you are into an entirely different climate and snow regime. Don't even talk to me about ID/MT in this context... Not dissing on them, but they are a very different place and need to be distinguished in terms of climate and snow.

post #86 of 122
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

In my vocabulary, "PNW" means western Cascades/Coastal from N. Oregon to Whistler. With sort of a home town emphasis on the WA Cascades. The Cascade ridge is a defining climate and precipitation boundary. Even in the few miles between Stevens and Mission Ridge, you are into an entirely different climate and snow regime. Don't even talk to me about ID/MT in this context... Not dissing on them, but they are a very different place and need to be distinguished in terms of climate and snow.


I agree with you.  It makes sense and that's the way I see it too, but I've noticed that the PNW label is rather generously applied to places that seem very different from each other, so when someone starts talking about statistical stuff, I start to wonder what their vision of the region is.

post #87 of 122
I agree. We might be northwest, but we're not Pacific Northwest. Our snow is drier. And our record year was 323,000, or a mere 2,432 skiers per day, less than one per acre.. Even Big Sky had only 370,000. None of this 500k stuff. :-)

We also allow RV parking.
Edited by sibhusky - 8/16/13 at 2:59pm
post #88 of 122
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

In my vocabulary, "PNW" means western Cascades/Coastal from N. Oregon to Whistler. With sort of a home town emphasis on the WA Cascades. The Cascade ridge is a defining climate and precipitation boundary. Even in the few miles between Stevens and Mission Ridge, you are into an entirely different climate and snow regime. Don't even talk to me about ID/MT in this context... Not dissing on them, but they are a very different place and need to be distinguished in terms of climate and snow.

From an outsider looking in, I hadn't thought of Whistler as PNW because its in the SW corner of Canada, eh? 

 

But I guess I was wrong.  I've been wrong before and I'll probably be wrong again some day. 

post #89 of 122

I'd agree that Whistler is definitely PNW, very similar climate and conditions and really not that far north of the border.  However whenever I see industry numbers (like skier visits), it seems like Canada and the US are normally not lumped together.  So in the context of responding to anachronism, I personally wasn't considering anything in BC.  If you include Whistler (and Grouse, etc.), the PNW #'s get a whole lot bigger.

post #90 of 122
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

From an outsider looking in, I hadn't thought of Whistler as PNW because its in the SW corner of Canada, eh? 

 

But I guess I was wrong.  I've been wrong before and I'll probably be wrong again some day. 

 

I'm not sure you were "wrong". I just laid out my definition based on the intersection of geography and snow type/amount that I think defines the PNW "region". Based on how it influences my ski decision making (including gear) and my skiing.  Out of curiosity, I just looked at Tony's site and he seems to follow roughly similar reasoning - except he includes AK...

 

While microclimate and elevation impact what goes on out here at any given location on any given day a lot, the kind and quantity of maritime snow we get in the PNW (as I define it) is reasonably definitive of a particular snow/terrain region. I include Whistler because of those natural rather than national circumstances. In my experience Stevens' terrain and snow character (if not scale) have more in common with Whistler than Mission Ridge - which is almost next door to Stevens as the raven flies - maybe 30-ish miles or so at a guess? 

 

I suspect that when they talk about PNW skiing, lots of folks in Portland/Seattle/Vancouver have something similar in mind. But that's just my biased personal belief. And based on history, I'm pretty sure no one is going to declare me the arbiter of any definitions around here. Even if I think I should be biggrin.gif

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