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Bonafide or Kabookie for level 6/7 skier wanting to improve.

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Hello to Epicski members.  I am having trouble deciding on which ski I should have for my next skis to improve onto a level 8 or higher skier.  I am 5 foot 7 and 170 lbs.  I mostly ski in So Cal mountain groomers with usually have 2 4 day long trips to mammoth per season.  I plan future trips to Tahoe.  To tell the truth, I purchased the 2013 Blizzard Bonafide (172 cm length) after reading and hearing all the hype about these particular skis last year.  My main reason is to have skis that I can use when I reach a more advance level.  As the months have gone by, I have been reading on how the bonafide is too stiff for a lighter weight person.  Not that I consider myself a lightweight.  But, if I get in shape, I am usually around 165 to 167 lbs.  Currently, I am skiing the Salomon Rocker 2 90 with griffon bindings and Nordica firearrow F3 boots.  I love my gear but I am just looking to expand my quiver.  Lately, I have been looking at the blizzard kabookie.  It is similar to the bonafide but with no metal and more forgiving.  I want skis that will not punish me when I make a mistake.  My question to you members is, should I sell the Bonafide and purchase the Kabookie or should I just keep the bonafide?  If the kabookie is better for me, then what length should I get considering my measurements and skill level?  I would greatly appreciate any good input that you members can give me.

post #2 of 18

If you plan on pounding moguls sell the Bonafide and get kabookie. If not then it's a wash. I personally like a ski without metal. They are snappier and quicker generally but the differences are not usually profound, just damper.

post #3 of 18
Unfortunately, a Level 6 skier will not improve on the Bonafides. I am not even sure why you chose a 98 under foot ski, when you already have 90 underfoot as they are pretty close in size. You should sell the Bones and do a demo day at the beginning of next season. And avoid all of the ski mag reviews and be careful when you read what some of the really good acrive poating skiers on this site praise, cuz they ain't for all.

Something in the 105 range without metal would be what I would look at. And the best I demoed for my tastes last spring was the Rossignol Soul 7. But, don't listen to any of us. Get out and demo before you buy.
post #4 of 18
The Kabookie is really just lighter than the Bonafide, I have skied both back to back and it is a negligible difference in the skis, not nearly enough to make a change. Demoing has it limits, when you are demoing, you are demoing two things, the snow and the tune. Unless you know that ski is tuned properly, it can be waste of time, the same can be said unless you are demoing all the skis on your list at the same time in the same conditions, it can be said that that is also a waste of your time and efforts. As far as having a 90 and 98mm in your quiver it absolutely can be done, especially with the Rocker2 90 and the Bonafide because they are two completely different feeling skis, just because something is similar, does not mean they are the same. You OWN the Bonafides, start skiing them in the conditions that they are designed for and where you will be comfortable and learn how to ski them. The money that it wil cost to upgrade (or demo) would be better spent on a lesson to hone your skills.
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Totally agree with Phil's post.  Keep the Bones and ski them all the time.  The goal is to make ever ski you own your b!tchwink.gif  Thing with stiff skis is to learn to drive the tips.  Once you get that lesson down, you should love them.

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Originally Posted by drern View Post

I am 5 foot 7 and 170 lbs...As the months have gone by, I have been reading on how the bonafide is too stiff for a lighter weight person.  Not that I consider myself a lightweight.  Actually, you're not light for your height, but all the ski knows is that you're 20 lbs lighter than average...But, if I get in shape, I am usually around 165 to 167 lbs.  Currently, I am skiing the Salomon Rocker 2 90 with griffon bindings and Nordica firearrow F3 boots. Reasonable choice...My question to you members is, should I sell the Bonafide and purchase the Kabookie or should I just keep the bonafide?

 

How about, it depends? I differ from some here. I think that as good as the Bones are, they're not not the best all around ski for all skiers. And I suspect someone with your stats is a good fit for that "not" category. So sure, having indulged your fantasies about getting better, you could learn to ride them hard and leave them wet, if that's how your mind works. In which case ignore the rest of this post.

 

But that said, you'll advance faster on a ski that's gonna reward you for doing the right thing. Some skis have that DNA, others don't. It's not the same as being "forgiving," incidentally. 

 

It will have some relation to shape and construction, which I find mysterious, and some to stiffness, which is easier to get. Unless you can bend a ski, you can't learn how to control it in advanced terrain much beyond skidding. And since you are light, skiing on a beefy ski likely means you won't be bending it, it'll be following its own radius and making you feel like a hero. Rockered skis are particular adept at that, since they're "pre-bent," so you don't have to worry about it. Which is one reason they can be quite stiff and still manageable.

 

Along these lines, you're on the correct length of Bonafide, which will allow you to apply pressure to your tips and release it from your tails, if you can find either. But its stiffness at 173 is identical to its stiffness at 180; function of the area of the cross section at any particular slice. Some brands will have different sections at the longest lengths, not relevant here. 

 

Your Sollies will do the rocker thing too, although they're soft enough that you can learn with less effort to actually bend them at sub-sonic speeds. Lessons will help you make the jump there.

 

Unless you don't mind the ski sticking to its own radius, or like to skid the tails, in which case all good and enjoy. 

 

A good example of skis that tell you when you're skiing right, incidentally, are the Fischer carvers, dating back to the old RX8's and forward to the Progressors. At the other end of the beef spectrum, Stocklis do that too. By contrast, many stiffish rockers are the opposite. They prefer a particular stance and style, but will tolerate a lot of mistakes. Great, but that doesn't necessarily include active feedback about how far off you are, or what will make them sing. 

 

So my suggested decision making tree: First, forget the Kabookies. Second, are the Bonafides mounted? If yes, have you skied on them?  If not mounted, and you are being realistic about your skill set, just sell them in October for as much or more than you paid. Should be easy. If mounted and never skied, ditto, although you may lose a bit of money for the package - prolly under $100 - unless the buyer has your foot size or the bindings are adjustable. Go enjoy your Sollies.

 

If you've skied the Bones, and they show any wear and tear whatsoever, then yep, keep them. But go take a bunch of lessons, preferably on a demo carving ski, and have a Double Whopper with extra cheese and bacon every day for lunch. Go get some script for statins. Then return to your Bones. Ski them fast. 


Edited by beyond - 7/15/13 at 2:23pm
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I will respectfully disagree with Beyond. at 5'7" 170lb, he is right in the wheelhouse of a good sized skier for the 173 Bonafide. I have a friend who is 5'7" 155lb 59 y/old and a pretty good skier and he is having no problems with the 173cm. Are they the "best all around ski for EVERYBODY?" Of course not, no ski is, but the Bonafide could very well be the best "all around 98 available. Like Liv2 SKi says, time to make them your b!tch. beercheer.gif


Edited by Philpug - 7/15/13 at 2:41pm
post #8 of 18

I'm 5'9" and 150.  I ski the 180 Bones.  I don't think they're the best skis for lessons/drills/improvement, but they're great skis for skiing.

post #9 of 18

I'm 6' and 210 pounds and have skied the Kabookie in 178 in 1.5 feet of fresh snow... and really enjoyed it! But I finally bought the Nordica Hell & Back ( 178)...it is similar to the Kabookie, no metal, but tighter radius and a less pronounced rocker ( I prefer). Really fun ski!

post #10 of 18

Mogsie, have you also tried the 185 Hell and Back? I weigh about 25 lbs less than you do and I'm still not sure what length to choose (will try to demo them both, though). Any thoughts?

post #11 of 18

No... But I can say to you that 178 is ok for me. I have no problem when I go off trail. The 185 would also be nice but I prefer 178 for tight trees and bumps and the smaller radius... 

post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post

Mogsie, have you also tried the 185 Hell and Back? I weigh about 25 lbs less than you do and I'm still not sure what length to choose (will try to demo them both, though). Any thoughts?


Errrr....how tall are you?  Close to 180+ and like a longer ski?  Then ya, a 185 could work.  I am only 179 tall but 95 kilos, so I like skis in the 185 range.  It really is just a personal preference.  Most here would suggest the shorter ski to keep it easier to ski.

post #13 of 18
Sorry, I'm 1,83 and 85 kg.
post #14 of 18

I'm 5'8" and 140#. Love my 173 Bones as one of the best pair of skis I've ever owned.
 

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by cosmoliu View Post

I'm 5'8" and 140#. Love my 173 Bones as one of the best pair of skis I've ever owned.

 
I bet you are not a level 6 skier!
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by Gostan View Post


I bet you are not a level 6 skier!


Umm...OK. But OP said he wanted to improve. And anyway, he already owns them. I was just commenting on the weight issue. BTW, the Bones are the fourth pair of Blizzards skis I have owned (Titan Eos (yes, the women's ski), Supersonics, Bushwackers). I have found all of them to reward precise input but not be particularly punishing of lapses in balance or judgement.

post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thank You to all the members that have replied to my question.  I really appreciate all your advices and answers.  I have decided to keep the bonafides.  I am hoping that with more lessons, I will be able to improve my skiing and rise to level 7/8 this coming season.  When I do improve, I hope that I have enough confidence to ski the bones and as some of you have said - "make it my bitch".  I do have another question, if any of you members can give me any advice on which bindings I can use with the bones.  I was thinking that I would buy another pair of griffons.  They perform very well with my rocker 2 90.  Although, I am interested in the solomon sth2 wtr 13 for next year.  Will these bindings be better than the griffons.  One of my deciding factors on which bindings will be saving weight.  I am hoping that Philpug may be able to answer my question about the solomons for I have seen him review the sth2 bindings on this site.  Philpug, will the sth2 be better bindings for the bones or will the griffon suffice?  Thank You again to all the member that have answered and I appreciate any more advice.  Especially about the bindings.

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by drern View Post

Thank You to all the members that have replied to my question.  I really appreciate all your advices and answers.  I have decided to keep the bonafides.  I am hoping that with more lessons, I will be able to improve my skiing and rise to level 7/8 this coming season.  When I do improve, I hope that I have enough confidence to ski the bones and as some of you have said - "make it my bitch".  I do have another question, if any of you members can give me any advice on which bindings I can use with the bones.  I was thinking that I would buy another pair of griffons.  They perform very well with my rocker 2 90.  Although, I am interested in the solomon sth2 wtr 13 for next year.  Will these bindings be better than the griffons.  One of my deciding factors on which bindings will be saving weight.  I am hoping that Philpug may be able to answer my question about the solomons for I have seen him review the sth2 bindings on this site.  Philpug, will the sth2 be better bindings for the bones or will the griffon suffice?  Thank You again to all the member that have answered and I appreciate any more advice.  Especially about the bindings.
If you have the Griffons already, go with them. If not, hold out for the Sth2's
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