Originally Posted by crgildart
^^^The NSA profiling scripts used to determine who is and who is not within their preferred targeting is professed to be 51% accurate at getting it right. That means 49% of the people they are currently targeting aren't likely to be the type of targets they are supposed to be targeting. It is the level of failure in these databases and programs that scares me more than the level of accuracy does...
Probably compares to the level of accuracy here when people ask for bootfitting advice outside of the bootfitter's forum. crgildart's response has a very low confidence level hahaha..
But lets not forget that they are also collecting records of every telephone call made to and from every phone in the US, including who the call was to, who it was from, how long the call was, and where the phone was located. That's not even a 51% right, that is monitoring information on virtually everybody in the US, and its been going on since 2006.
We didn't do this type of thing during any of the other wars that took place in the age of telephone. We didn't do it at the very brink of nuclear annihilation during the cold war, we didn't do it in WWII even when we saw tons of espionage/sabotage/terrorist acts, yet we are doing it now.
If people believe it is a reasonable loss of privacy to have the government to monitor everyone, in what seems to be a blatant disregard of plain reading of the 4th amendment, all in the name of "safety," remember that we are in a safer place than the environment from the past century. I would like people to consider that even given the operational capability of Al Qaeda on 9/10/2001, that threat pales compared to WWII, Korea, the cold war/Cuban Missile Crisis, etc.
Furthermore, if our politicians really thought we felt this way, they would be out in the open making the case to the American people about why it is necessary to do these things, and making the case to the courts as to why what they are doing is constitutional. Instead, we've been lied to repeatedly about the extent of these programs, who they target (everyone), and the legal justification for doing so that is not spelled out in the law (secret interpretations discussed in secret courts).
Does anybody remember the furor back when the Patriot Act was originally discussed about the government possibly getting access to what people checked out from the library? Can you imagine that law passing if the American public knew it was going to be used to keep record of every telephone call they made?
Finally, if you don't have a problem with the government doing this, consider that it establishes precedent. If you liked the guy/party that was in charge when this started, or if you like the guy/party in charge now cementing this as standard procedure, how will you feel when somebody you REALLY don't like gets to be the one to inherit the legal and operation capability to monitor like this? I think people forget that somebody in power down the road may consider THEM a terrorist and decide to use this monitoring data against THEM. I think people forget Martin Luther King getting demonized and harassed by the government because he was considered dangerous- imagine if he had showed up on the shit list of a future government given the monitoring capability of today...
I think it is telling when you see Michael Moore and Glenn Beck, Rand Paul and Mark Udall, on the exact same side of an issue.
Yeah, this isn't a skiing pet peeve, but its the off-season and this thread was destined to go in the dumpster eventually... I'm just happy it got derailed this way instead of fat skis, helmets, Vail, Safety Bars, etc.