Originally Posted by SkiSafe
Ya this is what i didnt want to happen. Now i have to explain. First off i dont drink, soo no beer weight. Im pretty skinny naturally, but have the ability to put on a good amount off muscle if i stay consistent with training... I have been lifting for 10 years and I have some pretty good muscle memory, not the kind thats your motor memory, the other kind of muscle memory (look it up). IF i dont work out for 6 months, and only do cardio, all my fat stores and glycogen deplete, from the Bodybuilding style "bulk". I cant understand why that was so difficult to believe, but it is epicski soo i expected this.
Toe bang comes from a boot thats too big also. Your sliding around in it and your toes are hitting. The new foot and calf, is AKA 25lbs heavier foot and calf. I could have had better
I understood this and was trying to point it out mainly for the other readers in the thread. Most folks would answer about losing weight because they lost fat and not muscle. When I read your post, I knew this wasn't the case with you. I understand that you lost weight when you quit working out so much. Obviously, you were going the other way; building bulk muscle. Most folks would put weight on when they quit working out; hence, what you are going through, though very believable, isn't the norm at epicski or on planet earth.
Since you weren't fat, when you lost the weight, your feet wouldn't necessarily be thinner as they would on a person that lost fat weight. You weren't fat when you weighed 195 and you weren't fat when you were 170. You're feet never would have had excess fat on them and I don't think your feet would bulk up with muscle. Your calf probably would change the fit in your cuff a bit. Though a loose cuff isn't desirable, it won't cause toe bang and I skied a good chunk of this past season with my boots unbuckled; no toe bang. It could cause shin bang.
It isn't a matter of believing what you are going through or not, but distinguishing it from the norm. If you want advice that fits the norm, that is fine but I don't think it addresses your issue. While in good shape and athletic, I would bet the majority here aren't body builders and might not be commenting about that. I would bet the crgildart would attest that when he "...packed on about 40 pounds in my 30s taking me from the mid 120s to the mid to high 160s...." it wasn't muscle.
My comment about the beer and cheeseburgers was intended to highlight that you aren't in this category. This is why "I" put weight on previously and is why I stated it doesn't sound like you are doing that.
Toe bang is caused by:
1) Poor stance. Usually in the back seat which drives the toes into the front of the boots.
2) boots that are too big;
a) either at the instep and isn't holding the heel back (could be and most likely be the culprit with fat weight loss),
b) or boots that are too big (i.e. long) letting the toe slide FORWARD and be crushed by the front of the toe box. Sliding side to side gives you lousy control but I don't think a boot that is the correct length but too wide, being used by a skier that ISN'T in the back seat would get toe bang.
3) a liner tighter than the shell (weight loss not involved- just a bad fit)
There is also black toe and sometimes this is intermingled with toe bang. Black toe is usually from the toe being compressed by a excessively tight boot in the toe box area causing poor circulation. Typically found among racers and folks that are unbuckling at the end of the run letting the blood flow again.
Toe bang is NOT caused by sliding from side to side.