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Thread Starter 

The screen shots were taken from this video clip from 1931.  The video may be

released by Northern Lights- it's unclear. The turns begin at 4:41.

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One thing is true...point a camera at skiers and they will do special stuff.

Did you notice the guy on short twintips doing spins at about 5:30?

The skate turn you sequenced could easily be called a Royal Christie.

I see some Stein style reverse shoulder stuff too.

The twin pole cornice hop is something I used to have in my quiver.

Not too much is new in skiing except the materials we use.

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Those guys rocked for 80 years ago.  For low leather boots and probably no metal edges that is impressive skiing; those boys could huck. Makes you wonder who you were watching, and when was the last time you saw that much untracked snow on a bluebird powder day?  


Those early day Royal Christies were interesting, these are the guys who would have taught Othmar Schneider and Steins' generation.  Imagine trying those today with your boots unbuckled, in that snow.  The uphill kick-turns were interesting too; consider the positions you could find yourself in if that went wrong.  Do you think that tram operators would mind if we all hung out the windows like that today?


Thanks for showing that was fun, and humbling, to watch it.

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Looks like a typical longboard day to me..

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Thread Starter 



I don't think these guys are doing a stunt (Royal Christie).  I think this type of body movement is necessary to make a short turn on these skis with these boots.


This cowboy tips his new inside ski/ankle/knee into the new turn (he goes bowlegged!)  He inclines and rotates his upper body dramatically in the direction of the new turn along with the foot and ski.  This is serious upper body rotation; it pulls him into the new turn.  


I can't tell if he lightens or lifts his new inside ski, or weights it and bends it; it turns fast in the new direction.  It looks like some weight is still on the new outside ski as he gets the new inside ski pointed in the new direction.  


As a result, his tips diverge.  It looks like he then propels himself forward with a skate-like push off of his edged new outside ski.  He might be just lifting it.   His body moves forward over the new inside ski, which is edged on the little toe edge.  He glides forward on that LTE with his body forward over the shovel of the ski.  He lifts the other ski out of the way behind him.


This delayed turning of the new outside ski behind him keeps his upper body from overturning; he maintains inside half lead as he glides forward on that little toe edge.  He sets the outside ski down and he's done.


I'm thinking that on these skis he could not have made such a short turn had he kept himself balanced over the new outside ski.  Using the new inside ski was the only way to make the turn.

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Awesome video!!!  Should repost in "General Skiing".


Lots of cool stuff to look at technique wise - I was particularily intested in the hips as they make turns...exactley the same to how I have tried to explain in a few threads now.


As for the royal christies - almost 100% positive, thats just a trick.  There are other examples in that video where guys are making "normal" turns...plus in that whole sequence of royal christies, spins etc, he is reading a book while doing it....so to me anyway, its just tricks.

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The track looks kinda slarvey.

Do you think he is bending his inside ski enough with the cowboy move to sorta carve that short turn?

I don't think he is just rotating the inside ski because all his weight is on it.

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Pffft, they couldn't ski that terrain without those fat, rockered skisrolleyes.gif 

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If he bent his inside leg he could adjust edge engagement.

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MA withdrawal sure has some interesting side effects smile.gif

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Flexing those skis probably meant you were about to get a new pair because you were about to break the ones you were on.  They did not call them planks for nothing.  


Anybody know where that was filmed?  Any guesses?

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Slo-mo, action, huck and humour ....Warren Miller take note


Did you notice the twin tips at 1.13 and 5.12, and the ballet?

post #13 of 15

All manner of radical goodness and fun. Thanks for posting, have watched it a few times. Those guys were ripping.

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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post

The screen shots were taken from this video clip from 1931.  The video may be

released by Northern Lights- it's unclear. The turns begin at 4:41.


Hello LiquidFeet,

This stuff is a short montage sequence extracted from a movie called  The White Flame - new Miracles of the Snowshoe (original : Der weiße Rausch – neue Wunder des Schneeschuhs), directed by Arnold Fanck.  
The cast was hot: it included  Leni Riefenstahl (Hitler's future filmmaker girl biggrin.gif), Rudolph Matt, world champion in the slalom race in Innsbruck 1936  and Gustav Lantschner,  world champion in the downhill race in 1932 and silver medalist  at the 1936 Winter Olympics. One of the "coboys" with the twintips is the austrian ski instructor and movie star Hannes Schneider, who developed the Arlberg method of instruction in alpine skiing, a very popular skier in those days in Europe, and then in US, where he moved later... 
Arnold Fanck, on the other hand,  was maybe the first true ski filmmaker in history, so having this in mind, this movie is the same kind of movie that Sherpas Cinema, for example, is doing today: inventive, beautiful,...  but very powerful.
L.E.: I've  also placed this video in an other topic with the idea that, grosso modo, the basic ski technique is about the same for a long time, just equipment has changed significantly
L.L.E.: The skier from you screen shots is Walter Riml, an austrian actor and very skilled camaraman... he worked lated with John Sturgesas as the second cameraman for The Great Escape...


Edited by Douz - 6/29/13 at 1:24am
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Thread Starter 

Douz, you know your stuff.  Thanks for the info.  I found this video in another thread here on epic; credit to you, Douz, for finding it and posting it originally in that thread.  

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