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A little help buying a new pair of skis

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I am trying to buy a new pair of skis this season and I am trying to decide between the atomic R11s and the Salomon Scream Pilot 10s. I have been looking around for a while but if anyone has any better suggestions for a solid pair of high intermediate skis I'm open to listen.
post #2 of 21
If you read some of the threads here you will find lots of info. Remember everyone is different, and likes different skis. Having said that most of the top end skis are close in performance it comes down to how they feel when you demo them. I realize your trying to narrow the field but we will need to know more about you. I believe there is a heading that you can paste into your post, and answer the questions. That will give us some info.

Personally, the R11 is a much better ski then the Pilot 10. I have found that both can be skied short and have good performance. They only come in lenghts only every 10cm, go shorter not longer.
post #3 of 21
These skis don't really have an intermediate bone in their body. If you are a true intermediate you are getting far more ski than you can handle. This may be a mistake, especially if you are light.

Also if you are a true intermediate, you won't easily be able to tell the difference. Both skis are suited to long turns and high speeds.
post #4 of 21
You need to be a bit more specific as to where and what you ski. You also need to think about where you want to go with your skiing. By that, I mean you level of dedication and ability. If you are going to be a constant "weekend warrior" that gets out at every chance, you may progress very rapidly.

One fellow from work is no physical powerhouse but has been getting out and is progressing quite nicely, he's not sorry that he bought an intermediate ski ..... as a beginner.

Another couple at work are "vacationers" ...... period! Two weeks out west, one time a year. They will probably never progress past where they are right now. They are quite happy at that level however.

If you are skiing eastern ice and narrow trails, versus, wide western slopes, you will be looking for a quite different intermediate "tool" to do the job.
post #5 of 21
I am 5' 7" 175 pounds and I have the 03/04 R11s in 170.

They are definately alot of ski for an intermediate but if you are in the upper range you should be OK if you are not too light.

They are stiff but I also thought my Rossi Cobra X's were stiff my first year out, my Volkl 4 Star's the second, and now these.

Since the binding moves you can cheat and move it forward which helps to initiate turns on groomers.

I definately get tossed in the backseat if I am not paying attention.

I consider myself an upper intermediate which means to me that I can ski any blue and black (with bumps) cleanly and some doubles if the conditions are good. I also ski at places like Sugarloaf and Sunday River so the blacks are not wussy hill ones.

If you cannot ski the above then I would not recommend the R11s as they are stiff and need some weight or muscle to bend them.

I have not skied on the Salomons but I have heard that they bend easier and have too much flex in the tail compares to other expert skis.
post #6 of 21
Scalce, IMO you should have the R11 in 160cm. I ski it in a 170 and I'm 5'11" 195lbs. I know we're all different, just my opinion.

Dresden4545, I missed the point about a intermediate, I agree with TomB these are more ski then you need. If you can answer the questions by yuki that would help us a lot.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
I understand that you guys need a littel more information so here we go. I am 22 and I am 6' 180. I skied throughout my youth at Vail from about 3 to 13 about 2 weeks a year. I lived in the midwest and didn't get a chance to ski in high school and parts of college. I now live in Seattle and can make it to Stevens Pass pretty regularly and some times Whistler. I am a good athlete and I skied 20 days last year but am hoping to ski more like 50 this year. Last year I was just gaining things back and this year I am going to teach, hopefully get alot of instruction as well and really try and progress my technique and abilities. I am looking for the best all around ski to ski groomers some times, but I really am looking to get into more terrain. Seattle has wet snow, so with freezing and refreezing it is both icy and slushy all in the same day. I have talked to a bunch of people that say salomon made a lot of changes and this years skis are drastically better that last years. I bought a pair of 2004 scream 10 pilots Hot because I got them 30% off last week on the last day of a sale. I have the option of taking them back and getting whatever I want though, so now I am doing the research and trying to see if I made the best choice.
Thanks for all the help
post #8 of 21
VOLKL G3 or AX3, IMO a better all round ski, a great teaching and learning tool, go with 177cm.
post #9 of 21
Don't sell yourself short. You have a high level of commitment. Err on the high end but realize there is no perfect ski. A pair of Stormriders that are great for busting through the crud and piles will not be a great teaching tool and you won't make an examiner happy doing short radius turns on them if you get certified.

GOING TO TEACH .... listen real good here, those newbies will make hamburger out of those pretty sticks real FAST!

Get your dream skis but keep you eye open for a pair of shorter SL types for teaching, ones that have seen a few miles and you won't be singing the blues over cuts and scrapes.
post #10 of 21
If I were you I would look into some skis with a little more girth then what you have listed. Try thinking something in the low 80s underfoot. For example, the atomic r:ex or the volkl g4. Those both are on the stiffer end but you'll want a stiff board in the PNW.
Of the two you listed hands down the atomics. At your height look 180 range
post #11 of 21
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Originally posted by smithby:
Scalce, IMO you should have the R11 in 160cm. I ski it in a 170 and I'm 5'11" 195lbs. I know we're all different, just my opinion.
I got them late last year to replace my busted Volkls and there were no 160s for me to demo or buy so I grabbed the 170s.

I had been skiing the 4 Stars in 168 so the length wasn't an issue.

I still don't think I have seen the new R11s in 160s anywhere around here.

Do you have the newer R11s or the older ones because the 03/04 were barely available last year?

[ October 23, 2003, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Scalce ]
post #12 of 21
Scalce, Call Ken Jones Ski Market in NH. Or go to there web site and contact them and ask for Tim Huff, he sells more Atomic skis then just about anybody else. He should be able to get you what you need.

My son has last years R11 in 170cm. We have the same boot size so we can change skis. I have a pair of the old 10.20's the prerunner to the 11.20 that I use as rock skis, even 5 or 6 years later those ski still rip. I still wish Atomic would make (this) ski in every 5cm. Sometimes I would like a little more ski, but not 10cm. If you get a chance to demo 160's this year, do it. I have found that when a ski is a tad long, it tends to be slow to start a turn. If your young and aggresive and have good skills you should be able to handle the 170cm. My son (x racer) is 16 130lbs 5'7" and skis them like they were made for him. But as I said he knows what he's doing. If you ever get a chance to see kids that when though a race program, you know how great they ski.
post #13 of 21
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Originally posted by dresden4545:
I am 22 and I am 6' 180. I am a good athlete and I skied 20 days last year but am hoping to ski more like 50 this year. I bought a pair of 2004 scream 10 pilots Hot because I got them 30% off last week on the last day of a sale.
What size did you get? I hope you got the 175 at a minimum. If I was your size and planned on skiing 50+ days in the PNW, In would get the 185's. I mean, come on...your 22 and only going to get better. Actually, I'd get a 184 R:EX or 188 G4 and just learn to ski them. You'll find out quick that 75-mm in the wasit leaves a lot to be desired when you get off the groomers.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I got the 175s and I think that they will work well for now and I will get another pair of fatter skies in the future. Why would you suggest the 185s instead of the 175s? I appreciate the help
Thanks
post #15 of 21
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Originally posted by dresden4545:
Why would you suggest the 185s instead of the 175s?
First, let me say that I have skied most of the recent Sallie freestyle and freeride offerings, but not the most recent Scream Pilot (75-mm waist) that you purchased. Just wanted to make that clear.

Anyhow, I weigh about the same as you, although I a few inches shorter...just for reference. My point about going to the 185 is based on where you are going to ski...Steven's and Whistler. If you plan on skiing groomers all day, then the 175's should be fine. However, if you are going to go off trail in heavy PNW snow, it becomes a matter of surface area. Those 175's with a 75-mm wasit are not going to provide the floatation or easy in PNW conditions. On the other hand, I spent much of last season on a pair of 179 Seth Pistols (95-mm waist) and loved them in the nasty crud of Mammoth. The length was not as relevant, as the increased dimensions of the ski provided much more float and stability.

Furthermore, there are a lot of folks one this site who ski in the east, in much different conditions than the PNW, who push the short ski agenda. A 175 might be great in eastern glades, but wide open bowls at Whistler are just a totally different game.

IMO, with the little information that has been presented and weighing heavily on the terrain that will be before you, if you want to stay with the 175, you should have gotten the 82-mm waisted Scream (Xtra-hot?) and embraced the blessing that is yours to have such great mountains in close proximity to yourself.

[ October 25, 2003, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: Bandit Man ]
post #16 of 21
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Originally posted by Bandit Man:
Furthermore, there are a lot of folks one this site who ski in the east, in much different conditions than the PNW, who push the short ski agenda. A 175 might be great in eastern glades, but wide open bowls at Whistler are just a totally different game.

IMO, with the little information that has been presented and weighing heavily on the terrain that will be before you, [...] and embrace the blessing that is yours to have such great mountains in close proximity to yourself.[/QB]
I'm one of those eastern skiers that Bandit Man mentioned and will second his point of view 100%. I especially liked the thought underlying his hardware suggestions: "embrace the blessing that is yours..." (Check out my post under the 'Ski Gear Discussion' thread topic "Desperately need help finding the right ski....PLEASE.")

[ October 26, 2003, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: bearberry ]
post #17 of 21
desden4545,

Bandit Man has the right thoughts for you. When you get into the deep and or heavy stuff you'll be glad you have the surface area under you.
post #18 of 21
You said you get to whistler once in a while...I don't know what Stevens pass is like...but if I skied conditions similar to whistler (which I do..big mountain) I would by a midfat freeride ski like Atomic rex, Volkl g4, Volkl Explosive , Head Monster these skis all are about 85mm under foot and are stiff. I'm about your height and weight and I ski an Atomic 10ex (which is an older version of the rex)...I bought it in a 177...but I wish I would have gone for a 184cm. If you want something softer and more forgiving you could go for some solly pocket rockets (in my opinion the PR's are way too soft... they are a good powder ski, but in crud they are like noodles)

The midfats are a great off piste ski and are still narrow enough to really lay em over and carve up a groomer.

That is my humble opinion. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #19 of 21
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Originally posted by Poodlebitespoodlechewsit:
I would by a midfat freeride ski like Atomic rex, Volkl g4, Volkl Explosive , Head Monster these skis all are about 85mm under foot and are stiff. I'm about your height and weight and I ski an Atomic 10ex (which is an older version of the rex)...I bought it in a 177...but I wish I would have gone for a 184cm.
I agree that those are great skis for a strong skier in PNW conditions, but they are all a hell of a lot more demanding than the Sallie Scream's that Dresden has been asking about. They might be too much for him, or make him get the skills really quick (sink or swin theory).

Sorry to hear that you went with the 177 EX. I really enjoy my 184's.
post #20 of 21
I took my 10EX's to Whistler Blackcomb two years ago and had a good time on them. I'm 5'11" 195lbs. I left my G31's at home, back east. There were a few times maybe I could have used the EX's in 184cm at Whistler, our last day we woke up to 12"+ and it was still snowing when we were driving to Vancover the next morning.
There were other times when I would have loved to have had my G31's (178cm). It's tuff to chose the right ski for all conditions on different day's let alone on the same day or same run. Everything is a compromise. I have brought two pairs of skis with me on some days. Other days I have gone back home to get different skis.

I'm beginning to think that something like the Volkl 724Pro in 177cm may be one ski that would be perfect for me to ski almost everywhere, anyday. There are a lot of new skis out there with a appoximate 75cm waist that may fall into the perfect ski for 90% of the time...

It will be interesting, over the next five months to see how people like this new crop of midfat's.
post #21 of 21
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Sorry to hear that you went with the 177 EX. I really enjoy my 184's.
Oh there not that bad, I'm a tele-er for most conditions they are just fine...but there are some times on some not so steep terrain in deep pow conditions that I wish I had a little more length so I could carry a little more speed...I have pair of x-screams in a 193...the Atomics are still faster. But the next pair will be in the 184 range (these 10ex's I have now are the first midfat I ever owned...I couldn't find any to demo with tele gear) Live and learn I guess.
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