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@near nyquist Here's employee housing for 250 employees with a carpark.

post #332 of 356

@veteran That in Australia ????

post #333 of 356

@near nyquist: That pic is the Model showing employee housing for 250 people near Squaw Valley Rd and the main hwy, not far from the 7/11 store.

post #334 of 356

@veteran Only 250 where the hell are the rest of them gonna park at, Alpine, Northstar, Tahoe Y, your front yard ????

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@veteran Only 250 where the hell are the rest of them gonna park at, Alpine, Northstar, Tahoe Y, your front yard ????

 

 

I think a lot of them live locally or rent bedrooms in homes in the village 'suburbs' and beyond. I've picked up some hitchiking from as far away as Dollar Point. At least there should be ready local labour fforce to staff 1 day or 1/2 day events: ie the ones that don't pay enough if you lived a gastank away. 

 

 

I was pretty certain there's another area that was under consideration to park 500 cars and have more housing + another area that looks like it wont be my idea of staff housing/parking: it'll be a pool gym and undercover parking for high enders and for nice people like moi.

 

Regarding water, that's weird and Californian. The pondages  seem lower than one might expect so either there's a leak or they 'wasted' snowmaking water ....and the 'greenies' don't recycle grey water of maybe 2,000,000 litres a day of class A potable water.

post #336 of 356
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@veteran Only 250 where the hell are the rest of them gonna park at, Alpine, Northstar, Tahoe Y, your front yard ????

 They've just added the concept of wraped parking: there's 2 levels of parking hidden behind the row of employee housing. with a maintenace shed.   http://unofficialalpine.com/?p=2765#comment-11255

 

There's 3300 parking spots iirc in the village area and they forecast more than enough based on all but 4 of the busisest skier-days. There are also plans to expand off site parking if need be.

 

Some of the 3300 is for Preferred Parking, eg e-cars and cars that have 4 passengers. There's the podium parking in 'my backyard' sort of - out the way under a new private pool/gym/tennis court type thing for the high enders and at least 45 paring bays under cover for where I stay. There's other podium parking as well.

 

There'll be cars available for tourists to borrow. It'll be cheapeer than those buses that were costing $25, $55, $165 and 290 per occupant to run with a cash outlay of $7.5m for a bus type with a clutch wears out after 120.000 kms of stop start driving.

 

An intra resort shuttle will travel past houses in the valley. There'll be sticking to Tart.

 

With Caltrans they'll install signage that says the road will take 10 minutes or whatever to get from A to B.

 

They plan apres ski buskers and things to keep people in the village and to stagger the traffic out at 4pm.

 

There'll be Dial A Ride too.

 

There's a question over the Water Board's new Wells in the carpark. The Water Board guy was quizzed at a meeting  but didn't say how many Wells there'd be or if the Wells will take up areas that cars can't park on.

 

Some folk were complaining that the town would tax them like a hoa can just pass a levy (but a town isn't a Hoa), but I think the Water Board is the body that can just impose decisions and fees and then tell you to connect the pipe at your own cost to your house. At least that issue was agrees when the plans for our area were discussed.


Edited by veteran - 1/11/14 at 7:12pm
post #337 of 356
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 They've just added the concept of wraped parking: there's 2 levels of parking hidden behind the row of employee housing. with a maintenace shed.

 

You mean this double decker behind your house,

 

so long naked hot tubing

they will arrest you for sure :cool

 

post #338 of 356

Nah, we're at the rich folks end, and get land off KSL full of mature trees about 3 storeys high and a watergarden and nice set back/park. Then nearby under a private pool/rec area there's parking for the rich people and we get 45 spaces undercover sort of angled in a way so its barely noticeable. In fact it won't be visible from all but a half dozen the windows, and it'll be obscurced by tree plantings. 

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Nah, we're at the rich folks end, and get land off KSL full of mature trees about 3 storeys high and a watergarden and nice set back/park. Then nearby under a private pool/rec area there's parking for the rich people and we get 45 spaces undercover sort of angled in a way so its barely noticeable. In fact it won't be visible from all but a half dozen the windows, and it'll be obscurced by tree plantings. 

 

Good, 

 

Make sure your blonde friend is in the hot tub when I come over. :D

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Good, 

 

Make sure your blonde friend is in the hot tub when I come over. :D


Uuum, yeah, sure,

 

 

 

 

unless I forget ;)

post #341 of 356

efforts continue towards creating their own town with the launch of a crowdfunding campaign.

 

 

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/squaw-valley-help-decide-its-future/

post #342 of 356

Good article on both sides of the story in Wall Street Journal. 

Ski Community Fights for Control 

post #343 of 356

So I'm reading through part of the draft EIR for the Squaw Village and came upon this tid-bit...

 

"Traffic volumes should represent peak average winter ski conditions. They should not represent the busiest day or two of the year, nor should they represent a “snow event” in which chain controls are in effect, although these events do occur and are ongoing. Such events, while they do occur on occasion, are atypical and should not be used to establish the existing setting (or baseline).

 

My initial reaction was WHAT?  Then I thought about it and yeah, I guess that's true now.  Ugh.  ;-)

 

If anyone is interested, here it is: http://www.placer.ca.gov/departments/communitydevelopment/envcoordsvcs/eir/villageatsquawvalley/draft%20eir

post #344 of 356

On another note, I found this interesting.  2012-13 had almost as many skier visits as 10-11.  I guess that shows what a bunch of snow in December can accomplish even if it barely snows after that.

 

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Also, since there's been so much discussion of parking in this thread...

 

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So I'm reading through part of the draft EIR for the Squaw Village and came upon this tid-bit...

 

"Traffic volumes should represent peak average winter ski conditions. They should not represent the busiest day or two of the year, nor should they represent a “snow event” in which chain controls are in effect, although these events do occur and are ongoing. Such events, while they do occur on occasion, are atypical and should not be used to establish the existing setting (or baseline).

 

My initial reaction was WHAT?  Then I thought about it and yeah, I guess that's true now.  Ugh.  ;-)

 

This is talking about traffic volumes, right?  Chain controls mean a reduction in traffic velocity, and therefore in volume.  Seems perfectly reasonable to exclude chain control events from figuring out how much traffic to plan for, because they might skew the data to suggest lower resource demand.  That's what "atypical" means to me, anyway.

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This is talking about traffic volumes, right?  Chain controls mean a reduction in traffic velocity, and therefore in volume.  Seems perfectly reasonable to exclude chain control events from figuring out how much traffic to plan for, because they might skew the data to suggest lower resource demand.  That's what "atypical" means to me, anyway.

 

Yes, I know, I was just making a lack of snow joke.

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I have lost my sense of humor on that topic.

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I have lost my sense of humor on that topic.

 

Me too.  It's more of a joke made out of despair.

 

But hey, "we're due" next year... again... right?  ;-)

post #350 of 356
Do the May snowfalls count in last year or next year? We are being tormented. At least the parking isn't a problem for those May powder days.
Eric
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Anyone who has driven from Squaw to I80 on a Sunday (or holiday Monday) in blizzard conditions knows that the biggest traffic impact is and will be on those days. I have taken 5 hours to drive from Squaw to my house on Donner Lake. Truckee itself becomes massively gridlocked making travel within the town during those times impossible and drastically reducing accessibility for emergency vehicles. If the village is approved one of the required mitigations should be for KSL to devise a traffic management plan that would hold traffic at the resorts, with parking, heat, bathrooms and food available when blizzard conditions severely slow traffic and especially when I80 is closed. If the I80 is open, traffic coming from the resort should be metered and it should be held completely if the interstate is closed over the summit, except for those going to Tahoe, Reno, or Truckee. (Ideally traffic from Reno and North Tahoe would also be metered or held as necessary but of course KSL has no control over that.)

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Anyone who has driven from Squaw to I80 on a Sunday (or holiday Monday) in blizzard conditions knows that the biggest traffic impact is and will be on those days. I have taken 5 hours to drive from Squaw to my house on Donner Lake. Truckee itself becomes massively gridlocked making travel within the town during those times impossible and drastically reducing accessibility for emergency vehicles. If the village is approved one of the required mitigations should be for KSL to devise a traffic management plan that would hold traffic at the resorts, with parking, heat, bathrooms and food available when blizzard conditions severely slow traffic and especially when I80 is closed. If the I80 is open, traffic coming from the resort should be metered and it should be held completely if the interstate is closed over the summit, except for those going to Tahoe, Reno, or Truckee. (Ideally traffic from Reno and North Tahoe would also be metered or held as necessary but of course KSL has no control over that.)

 

I think your idea of holding traffic is a good one.

 

But that's a separate question from whether you should exclude blizzard days in calculating the volume of cars you need to plan for.  The number of cars on blizzard days is typically less than normal, so including them would artificially skew towards less demand for capacity.  Because traffic is fundamentally a saturation function, it seems like the calculation should be done based on two factors: (a) median or mean numbers, excluding the extremes on either end; and (b) separately, for the highest demand days.  But I'm not a planner type.

post #353 of 356
A real mass transit system, that people actually use and some dedicated bus lanes
would help.
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A real mass transit system, that people actually use and some dedicated bus lanes
would help.

Which means remote lots off I80 and in Tahoe City/Kingsbeach in practice and there isn't really the obvious capacity at present nor road capacity for bus lanes. The Roaring Fork solution would be brilliant but the geography is very different.

Don't know how metering would work without excessive bureaucracy - permits for Truckee and TC residents/guests and NV plates only allowed to leave Squaw when I80W closed? What about the businesses in Truckee that benefit from the "killing time" factor.
post #355 of 356

For the sake of an EIR and infrastructure, you never assess or build for the highest volume days as it's not practical / efficient.

 

And yes, a real, reliable mass transit system would sure be nice.  But you can't do something like that half-assed.  It needs to be consistent and run both early and late.  Dedicated bus lanes sounds like a great idea but there's not a lot of room along parts of 89 so it would be a major development to widen that and add any other lanes.

post #356 of 356

How about a gondola to Sugar bowl to relieve traffic?

 

Silly me, I'm as realistic here as those wanting some trolley or workable mass transit.

 

Eric

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