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SHORT, REALLY WATERPROOF shell pants

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For warmer days, currently in a pair of Mtn Hardwear SHORT shells. Full side zip, "Conduit" membrane. They're six or seven years old and have served me well. Fit is excellent. Hoping to replace them with a pair that, unlike these, is truly waterproof. The acid test is sitting on a chair in the rain. Never had a pair of ski pants that didn't soak through quickly in these conditions. (And no, yellow commercial fishing bibs are not in play!) Any recommendation must come in in a SHORT length. Regular length are like clown pants on me - I have a 27" inseam. Too complicated and expensive to shorten. Thanks in advance.
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Sitting on a chair in the rain is likely to cause the surface fabric of any waterproof-breathable pants to "wet out" so the surface fabric is saturated with water. I've never experienced a DWR that could keep the surface fabric from wetting out when sitting in the a puddle for a number of minutes. In this case the waterproof-breathable membrane will likely still be not letting the outside water get in, but it will not be able to breath through the surface fabric that is soaked. This will cause any moisture coming off your body to be trapped and you will get wet from the inside.

 

I know that Patagonia makes pants in a short length and I believe The North Face does also. However, it seems when you try to go for the short or long lengths you often get very limited in color choices. If you're okay with black pants you should have no problem.

post #4 of 21

Patagonia are usually short pants, already in the regular so buying the short version should work. MH Bokta if you can find one also has a short version, again regular is already short, so the short version should also work, although MH doesn't make this pants anymore, but maybe you can find one online or if you have a columbia outlet close to you...

 

but in general patagonia and mh have short pants

post #5 of 21

I've had good luck with Arcteryx with Gore Tex Pro being waterproof enough to handle a wet cold chairlift seat. And I believe they come in short and long as well as regular, which is what'd I look for, whatever brand. In extremis, there's always a tailor to hem a pair for $20, then some judicious seam sealant. 

post #6 of 21

Patagonia will also adjust pants up to 4 inches if I'm not mistaken. Can't remember how much they charge, but I believe it was about 50 bucks...

post #7 of 21

qcanoe: Did you happen to see this thread a while back?

http://www.epicski.com/t/109297/shortening-gore-tex-pants

post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks, everyone.

 

marznc, I HAD seen that thread, but then forgotten about it. Great info in there, especially the comments about Taiga and Ski-Ra's comment about Patagonia possibly not needing to shorten from the hem up. I'll look into that. Thanks. I'd prefer a full-length side zipper - mostly so I can ditch the pants on the hill on race nights. I seriously doubt a regular tailor would be able to deal with the multiple complexities of  that, combined with the zipper, gaiter, scuff guard, etc. I agree that elaborate sealing is probably not a big deal at the ankle, but if they shorten from higher up, it would be. As with one of the posters in that thread, wearing "regular" length is totally not an option for me. I'd end up with a wad of material all wound up in my ski brakes, would need a caving permit just to get to my boot buckles, etc. I look like a five year old wearing Dad's pajamas in regular-length pants. 

 

Beyond, I guess I need to research the Arcteryx stuff more thoroughly. Very dear, of course, but maybe that's the price of a dry rear. Looks like the alpine-specific models that are made in lengths do not have full side zips, but a couple of the more climbing-oriented ones do. I suspect I may back off on my requirements as I contemplate paying more for a pair of pants than I usually do for skis! redface.gif

 

 

Quote: TallSkinnyGuy

Sitting on a chair in the rain is likely to cause the surface fabric of any waterproof-breathable pants to "wet out" so the surface fabric is saturated with water. I've never experienced a DWR that could keep the surface fabric from wetting out when sitting in the a puddle for a number of minutes. In this case the waterproof-breathable membrane will likely still be not letting the outside water get in, but it will not be able to breath through the surface fabric that is soaked. This will cause any moisture coming off your body to be trapped and you will get wet from the inside.

 

 

Nope, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about soaked-all-the-way-through-the-base-layer, spend-the-rest-of-the-day-with-a-wet-butt kind of wet. 

post #9 of 21

Since the OP mentions getting wet when sitting on the lift, I looked around and found something I'd never heard of before.  It's called the Beavertail.

 

http://www.beavertail.net/main.sc

 

 

 

This is the same idea but simpler and shorter.

 

http://www.jenackscanvas.com/fannyflaps.html

post #10 of 21

One more . . . called Hot Buns.  These strap around the thighs.  Note that I'm finding these in old EpicSki threads.

 

http://www.artechski.com/hot-buns-2428.aspx#gsc.tab=0

post #11 of 21
I just finished my first season wearing Patagonia and had no issues with water seeping through. I got the Triolet Pant. My inseam is 29.5 and CAN'T STAND it when the cuff gets under my boots whether it is ski boots or snow boot. I believe the inseam is 31". Wouldn't mind them being slightly shorter on the inseam, but the do have an adjustment on the cuff that kept them tight around the ankle so they didn't drag on the ground.

If that doesn't work for you, maybe try these:

http://manhattaninfidel.com/2010/11/15/makers-of-bootypop-introduce-bootypop-for-men/

Ken
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post

One more . . . called Hot Buns.  These strap around the thighs.  Note that I'm finding these in old EpicSki threads.

http://www.artechski.com/hot-buns-2428.aspx#gsc.tab=0

I'm very much middle of the pack on the vanity scale, but I do draw the line in front of this sort of thing. I appreciate the research effort, however.
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post

One more . . . called Hot Buns.  These strap around the thighs.  Note that I'm finding these in old EpicSki threads.

 

http://www.artechski.com/hot-buns-2428.aspx#gsc.tab=0

 

I've seen lots of these in use.  People affectionately call them diapers.  They work, evidently.

post #14 of 21
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I've seen lots of these in use.  People affectionately call them diapers.  They work, evidently.

 

Really well, especially in  pow up top/ rain down below  conditions where the beaver tail collects snow on the run down.

post #15 of 21

One of the Trainers at Crotched uses the Hot Buns.  I refer to it as his "Butt Buddy". biggrin.gif  At the year end party I got him a pair of booty pop as a gag gift.  Told him his problem wasn't his ski pants but that he doesn't have enough a$$ (he is on the slender side).

 

qcanoe,

I'm with you on the vanity scale and would never wear something like that on the outside of my ski pants wink.gif

 

Ken

post #16 of 21

Qcanoe i picked up a pair of North Face Freedom uninsulated pants short inseam. Check them out on Zappos dot com. They had most colors if that matters in short. I have had the opportunity to test them in the snow and the rain, without a fanny flap, and they worked surprisingly well. They have side vents, no full length zippers. Spyder also has short inseams.

post #17 of 21
Check out Dry cheeks. I like them better than the beaver tail style, plus they look better and now come in black or gray neoprene as well.

I also have some hot buns brand kicking around that my kids use. They are very similar
post #18 of 21

Looks like Dry Cheeks can be worn inside or outside ski pants.

 

http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=11327491

post #19 of 21

If you don't mind bibs, I've had really good luck with an older pair of Arc'Teryx Theta SV bibs.  They come in short lengths (28 inseam I believe) and have kept me dry in most conditions.  But they are pricey...

post #20 of 21
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Looks like Dry Cheeks can be worn inside or outside ski pants.

 

http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=11327491

 

Ya know...I was just thinking.  Right before I left Oki in '96 I had a full wet suit made.  It never touched water.  I might just end up with 5 mil of neoprene wrapped around my butt.  Might as well get some use out of it.

post #21 of 21
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Looks like Dry Cheeks can be worn inside or outside ski pants.

 

http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=11327491

 

 

And they are on Reliable's Wacky Wednesday special today for $25

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