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Rossi B1 and B2, great, good, bad or crap ?

post #1 of 42
Thread Starter 
Anyone have an opinion on these skis and would the B2 suit a technical skier who skis 60% on the groomers and likes to ski medium to long carving turns and the other 40% in the bumps and off piste ?

Thanks Viper.

[ October 23, 2003, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Viper ]
post #2 of 42
I usually go with pocket rockets, but have tried extensively B2 last winter. In brief: I like B2 a lot (actually I bought a pair!), much more than other bestsellers like volkl, atomic etc. Much more forgiving than old XX, but still very fast, lively and ejoyable in groom, pow, crud. From what you have described of your skiing, I would certainly suggest them, but........DEMO BEFORE!
post #3 of 42
My experience with the B2 was pretty different from savoreyles'.

I liked the old XX and XXX sooOOOOO much better than the new B2 and B3. The XX was the best do it all ski on the market. Its stability at speed was amazing for how easy and versatile it was. It could do long radius turns, then fire off super short rad's. It was even pretty good in bumps.

The B series skis are damp beyond belief. I'm not even really one of these skiers that is obsessive about rebound energy, but the B series feels like its made of rubber. They have the same feel as the Scratch twin tip skis.

Furthermore, B2 isn't as stable as the XX, isn't as good in short radius turns, isn't as precise, and last but certainly not least, its ugly [img]smile.gif[/img] . The only thing it does better than the XX is floatation, based on its bigger dimensions and softer shovel.

With regard to the B3, well, it's just a landing gear now.

I didn't ski the B1, but I have a pretty good idea what it feels like based on the B2.

I *strongly* urge people looking at the B2 to check the net and pick up a super cheap pair of XX's. I've seen them for under $300.

[ October 02, 2003, 02:09 PM: Message edited by: Matter ]
post #4 of 42
I agree B2 and XX are totally different. Having tried both extensively, I decided that both are great skis but B2 are more like my cup of tea. That's why you should definitely try to demo before buying. Buying XX just because they are cheap might not be the best pick, unless a) you buy 2 or more new pairs every year, so who cares or b) you already know that the XX you buy can be easily sold. Here in Europe XX are no more easy to find. In addition, sellers know how much they are valued so the cost is still high.....well, nothing compared to US prices.
post #5 of 42
Thread Starter 
Well one thinks they are crap and one thinks they are great ! thanks guys :

This does seem to be the trend with these skis though ie a mix bag as far as reviews goes.

It would make it easy if the were universally like.

Can anyone else break the dead lock for me please ?

[ October 03, 2003, 04:49 AM: Message edited by: hunter. ]
post #6 of 42
I have only skied the XX but myt ake on the B2 is that it is a much turnier ski than the XX. Not just because of the fact that it is a shaplier ski. The B2 may be much softer longitudinally, but it is probably more torsionally stiff than the XX. This would mean that the B2 would prefer to be on edge more than the XX... So if you are not carving your turns and keeping the ski on its edge, then you will not enjoy the ski as much. I have been told that the B2 is more of a powder and crud ski and is not as at home on groomed snow as the XX was. As far as edgehold is concerned the B1 takes the cake this time around. Usually during a season I get a few opportunities to try out different skis, so I will probably be on a pair of B2's before the season is over. I will report back at some point.
post #7 of 42

Although I was pretty negative, I wouldn't come close to describing them as crap. Pretty much all the ski manufacturers make good skis.

That being said, I just liked the old ones so much better. Since you can find the older ones for half the price of the new ones, that seems clearly the better option in my mind.

Heleva: They didn't seem turnier to me. In fact, they seemed more sluggish in short turns than the old XX. They just don't feel as precise as the old XX did. They feel and ski like the Rossi Scratches.

For "mid-fat 75-78mm waist" category of skis that includes K2 Axis XP, Volkl 724 Pro, Head iM 75 Chip, Salomon Hot - this Rossi was definitely my least favorite. If you want a ski of this width, I'd strongly urge you to try the above 4 skis also.
post #8 of 42
I got a pair of B2's as soon as they came out and skied the later part of the season last year including a 10 day trip to Colorado. My take, they are awesome and performed super everywhere I skied them. Deep powder, Groomers and especially in the bumps. You can look back through the archives for my posts about them and how they compare to the XX of which I also own a pair of. So, I totally disagree with Matter about their performance. Would I recommend them? You bet your A## I would. I was also turning some great times in the G.S. course at H.V. with them. Beating guys on their hot boards. They certainly could be a one quiver ski. That's my take. Everyone skis differently and likes different feedback so if you get a chance demo them first, especially to determine length. I'm on a 177.
post #9 of 42
I recently picked up a pair of B1 demos, a deal I couldn't refuse. Haven't ski's them yet, but they will be a third option for me this season, but have demo'd the x and xx.

The friend I picked them up from is sponsored by Rossi, and said that he prefers them to the B2 for all around skiing, especially if you like to carve, or for quick fall line turns. I had a chance to compare the flex of the B1 with the B2's at a local ski shop, and found that the B2's flexed like a wet noodle(slight exageration). The B1's flex was much stiffer, and seemed a lot beefier. I can't imagine these skis skiing similar at all, even though their construction is similar. Can something as soft as the B2 hold an edge decently on the groomers?....the above reviews seem to say so.

Judging by the flex, I would think that the B1's would make a better all around ski, unless soft snow is all around. Seems to me, that if you are 60% or more groomers, you might want to try the B1. If you are 60% or less groomers and ski in the west, then the B2's might do just fine. I will certainly demo the B2's this season, and agree with others that if you're looking for a one ski quiver, then demo, demo, demo. Just because one or two people say its crap, doesn't mean its not the ski for you.
post #10 of 42
Originally posted by hunter.:
Anyone have an opinion on these skis and would the B2 suit a technical skier who skis 60% on the groomers and likes to ski medium to long carving turns and the other 40% in the bumps and off piste ?

Thanks hunter.
Haven't been on the B2, but the XX (184) from last year was that ski for me. Then I realized that I hate bumps and dumped the XX's. The B2 is likely a good one-quiver ski, but so is the K2 XP or new Sallie Screams (76-mm waist). Just remember, there are a lot wider skis that are much more fun off-piste, so a one-quiver ski is a compromise that will likely not give you the best of both worlds...
post #11 of 42
Personally, I didn't like the X or XX and Rossi skis generally don't float my boat. That said, I really like the B1 and B2. I find them to be very competitive with the top skis in their classes. For the B1 I would say that means they compare favorably with the Volkl 6Star or 5Star. In the case of the B2 that would mean the Vokl 7 24 Pro and Elan M12.

I think they do everything well and offer a great combination of high performance and forgiveness.

post #12 of 42
Wouldnt a more fair comparison for the B1 be the Elan M12, and Volkl 724 AX3, and a comparison for the B2 be the Elan Mantis 662, and Volkl 724 Pro?? The 5 star and 6 star don't even come into this category of skis at all - a more fair rossignol comparison to those skis would be the new 2004 RPM 100...
post #13 of 42
Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
Wouldnt a more fair comparison for the B1 be the Elan M12, and Volkl 724 AX3, and a comparison for the B2 be the Elan Mantis 662, and Volkl 724 Pro?? The 5 star and 6 star don't even come into this category of skis at all - a more fair rossignol comparison to those skis would be the new 2004 RPM 100...
Dimensionally and marketing-wise I'd say you're right. By the feel I got out of the skis I'll stick by what I posted previously. I feel that the B1 and B2 really exceed the hard snow performance of the skis they are marketed against. They also perform well against their marketing peers in soft snow.

Who knows, maybe the rep put a killer tune on the B1s and B2s I skied.

post #14 of 42
I really enjoyed reading this particular group of posts. Clearly the Rossy B2 evaluation is not a simple one. It has virtues that appeal to some and "turn off" others. I personally skied them yesterday and thought they were brilliant, just what I was looking for. What I learned from reading the rest of the comments is that just because I liked the B2 does not necessarily mean that I will like the XX.
post #15 of 42
I demoed a pair of B2s Saturday. The conditions were hard pack, hard pack moguls with chicken heads in the troughs, soft crud, fast courderoy, crud moguls..... I had previously owned a pair of Bandit XX which I like on days with conditions described above but found to be lacking in deep, soft stuff. From what I could tell the B2s do the soft stuff much better and they were adequate in the other conditions I encountered that day. Problem is, while they plowed through the chicken heads and held an edge on the hard pack (though not as well as the XXs), the ski felt damp and lifeless on piste. The Bandit XX had some zing when carving on hard groomers especially at high speeds. These skis felt bland. They did what they were suppose to do but I didn't enjoy the experience. I definitely won't be buying a pair.
post #16 of 42

does your ski have to be a Rossi? there are MANY good choices in the B2's category.

I have only this to say about the B2- I already found the Bandit XX too damp for my liking, so I bet I'd agree with Matter if I skied the B2. But I also know that Lars is a good skier and likes the B2. What does this tell us?

That the ski's "flavor" is the turning point, AND that the "flavor" is pronounced enough to cause Matter's response (and my own hypothetical response).

I'm not obsessive about rebound, but I like it. I like to let the ski help me into the next turn. I REALLY like the feel of the two Fischer skis I'm on this year, and would strongly suggest you to consider the Fischer Big Stix 75. Why? Read my reviews of these two other Fischer skis that I own:

'03-04 Fischer Big Stix 8.6

'03-04 Fischer Worldcup Race SC
post #17 of 42
You're right on with your post Gonzo. Flavor is a great word and the right one for the situation.

I just got back from a short Colorado trip where I skied Breck, Vail and Steamboat. Packed Powder conditions everywhere and nice snow by my standards. Some pow still in places, Blue Sky Basin and some still in the trees of Steamboat. I spent as much time as I could in the bumps and trees, Breck was the worst of the three with really packed, thin cover.

The B2 was absolutely Fab all the time. I love the damn skis to death. But, here's my love, Dampness in a ski. The kind of ski that doesn't chatter on hardpack, quiet as a church mouse at speed, and the right balance and flex that allows me to muscle it around in tight trees and bumps. I don't like a ski that makes me react to it's characteristics. I like a ski to react to my characteristics, one that I don't have to think about skiing while I'm skiing it. Durability is another factor. I have yet to have a problem with any of the Bandit series skis that I have owned the past five years. And I spend alot of time on skis.

So, there you have my perspective on the B2. A good , durable, fun ski that will do everything you ask of it. If you're looking for a quick rebound powerful feeling racecourse type ski, this isn't the one for you. Like I've said before, it's all a matter of feel and personal preference or as Gonzo puts it "Flavor"
post #18 of 42
what Lars said...

"I don't like a ski that makes me react to it's characteristics. I like a ski to react to my characteristics, one that I don't have to think about skiing while I'm skiing it."

And, while I'm at it, what gonzo said...Fischer Big Stix 75. I am on an older version, the 74. It rocks. Light, nimble, floaty, great grip on hard snow, I can relax on it, ski bumps, haul ass on cruisers, punch crud and float powder. Great all-around ski, in my flavor.

[ January 30, 2004, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: astrochimp ]
post #19 of 42
I think that the answer is very much one of personal preference, and agree wholeheartedly with the previous poster.

I did not like the B2 at all - I found it damp and unresponsive, capable of going most places, but without shining at anything. But then, I am an aggressive skier who likes to go fast: my skis of the moment are the Volk 5*, which would probably put off most people who like the B2s. Admittedly, the B2s could go almost anywhere and I'd have to change the 5* in really deep powder.

And some of my friends swear that the B2 is one of the nicest skis they have been on (and incidentally, find the 5* too twitchy for their liking), so there you go.
post #20 of 42
I have both skis, and like them both. The ***** are great eastern skis and the B2s great western ones. I don't care much for a longitudinally stiff ski out west, but in the east that is what I want and I have always gotten that from Volkl (and Atomic). The B2s are also great in the mashed potatoes we are getting now in mid atlantic.
post #21 of 42
Just skied the B2's for a couple of days in La Grave on all sorts of different terrain: powder, chopped up powder, crud and some spring snow.

I am 5 foot 9 - 145 pounds and skied them in 170 (my own skis are Atomic 9.22 Betaride in 180).

I found the B2's very versatile and incredibly easy to manouvre even in trees or narrow couloirs while remaining stable on bigger GS type turns. They felt rather soft compared to my 9.22's and I understand that some of the bigger or more energetic skiers might find them a bit "too easy" and not very bouncy. Given that I'm fairly light I found myself quite at ease on them and would consider buying a pair. Did not have a chance to try them on hard pack or not for a significant amount of time. Given a chance I would also try them in a slightly longer length (I think 176 is the next one up).
post #22 of 42
Bought a pair of B2's in 176 cms.this year after demoing them for a day. I'm 5'8" 175 lbs. I ski Whistler and have skied them under most conditions most recently nasty frozen crud and frozen avalanche debris. I rate them as the most versatile all mountain ski I have been on and I've been on quite a few. Crud, bumps, trees, powder they do it all. Maybe not the perfect ski for heavier people but for someone my weight and for the type of skiing I do they are as good as it gets but then again one man's floor is another man's ceiling.
post #23 of 42
I rest my case!
post #24 of 42
Guess it depends where you ski. The XX is a lot stifer than the B2. Better edgehold ect. If you ski out west, and like a flaccid ski, pickem up. (I don't see a ton of B'Series in the east.) If not go demo. Volkl 7 24, Atomic r11,k2 xt, the list goes on.
post #25 of 42
The B1 and B2 are MUCH different skis. Much more than the name would imply.

The B2 is one of the best "big mountain" do-it-all ski you can buy. I ski it in Vail and take groups all over the mountain. It is simply the best in crud and powder, soft snow and the like. It is also extremely good on the groomed. But, if you are 100% groomed go for the 9X Oversize.

The B1 is not a real expert ski. I'd be on the RPM 100, the Bode ONE (one UNBELIEVABLE ski), or the 9X oversize long before the B1.

Demo, demo, demo.
post #26 of 42
Just back from Le Massif. Spent two afternoons on the B2 at 182 cm. Me: 6'2"@235 -- very aggressive. I thought they might become my bump/tree ski.

First afternoon : I liked them. Easy bumper, no surprises in the trees. Did not hook tails on the bumps in the trees. Relatively decent on piste, but slow. Lazy ski.

Second afternoon : I noticed that I could not keep up to my 7 year old daughter on piste. She was skiing very fast all morning, and kept it up all afternoon. I could barely keep up. The B2 is a poor hard snow carver. Poor hardpack grip. Still easy in the bumps, probably because it's so easy to skid.

Overall: avoid groomed trails. avoid hardpack. Hmm... avoid the East, except for moguls and trees, where their lifelessness is a somewhat compelling feature. I would not own them. On each run I wished more and more that I was demoing Elan 662's: a ski I unfortunately did not get a chance to run through the bumps, else I may already have bought a pair judging from their on piste and slush performance.

I tried a bunch of Rossi, as Le Massif is a Rossi shop -- I liked none of them. I especially thought that my skiing on one run on the RPM 17 @ 177 was dangerous. Under my weight, this ski felt very unstable. Stiff yet damp. Also top end was very limitted.
post #27 of 42
Not fast on hardpack? Strange thing that I turned in the second fastest time of the day in the Nastar course last Wednesday at the Valley on my 176 B2's. Yet still, I think they are one of the best bump ski's i've been on over the years. Must have been your wax.
post #28 of 42
I'm comparing them against my old Salomon 10 3V's @ 176. The morning I was skiing fast with my daughter, I could easily get the 3v's above 60 mph. Not even close with the B2's.

60 mph is a conservative estimate, based on taking part in the radar run at our home hill just last Saturday -- I clocked 54.2 mph (87 kph) there - no special wax/suit. Winner was 97 kph -- it's a really small hill -- club record is 100 kph.

Given how much faster skiing at Le Massif felt than 87 kph, 60 mph is quite conservative. I stand by my statement that the B2's were slow.

I cannot attribute the speed difference to wax --it was far too large a difference. I'd estimate the top B2 speeds I could manage were around 70 kph - no way near 80 kph /50 mph. Remember, I'm just keeping up to a 7 year old while skiing on the B2's.
post #29 of 42
That explains it, 7 yr. old skiing at 50mph? B2's must be slow. Holy Cow!

Were you in a tuck to get that fast or just free skiing. Notice I said a tuck, not a tuuk.
post #30 of 42
OK I feel like a big chicken/ I don't think I've ever come close to 60mph on skis. I doubt I've gotten to 60 kmh
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