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I never said they were all that good just that they do exist. 

post #32 of 34

I think it will be a great day when all of US sports will finally adopt the WADA/IOC protocol... But of course there are too many interests for that to happen icon13.gif

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No we can't.  I have no problem with skiers or tennis players or musicians or actors making what they make--the people who buy tickets, the tv networks who pay to broadcast them, the sponsors who support all think they are worth it so I can't argue that they aren't. Where I have a problem is with team sports where broke, derelict cities are blackmailed into spending hundreds of millions of dollars to build arenas and stadiums with the false argument that it's good for the city. Those tax dollars directly subsidize the overblown salaries of the athletes.  (Not to mention the fact that no 5.0 ERA pitcher or .230 hitter is worth millions.) And as far as overindulged--they may not get away with murder, but they sure get away with rape.

As far as jealousy goes--I'm retired and doing fine financially.  That can't be said for athletes, most of whom manage to blow what they make. (Statement unsupported by any data, so don't bring that up.) I wouldn't trade places with most of them. (Might be a skier or two I'd like to be but I don't think many of those qualify as overpaid.)

As far as bitter--damn right--I'm from Detroit, which spent 219 million it doesn't have on Comerica Park and Ford Field.

 

 

As far as both sides agreeing to test for doping--that makes as much sense as you and the highway patrol agreeing on where, when, and if to do sobriety check points or whether to test you after you have an accident and appear drunk. The athletes who use these drugs and the trainers and doctors and hustlers who provide them are breaking the law--it's not up to them whether and how the law is to be enforced.  As far as the difficulty--as I pointed out earlier, the fact that we can't control it completely doesn't mean we give up.  Efforts to control doping limit the timing and dosage of doping for those athletes who do it.  Fear of getting caught and losing one's career certainly has an effect in the sports that are serious about preventing it. The relatively limited number of athletes, compared to the number of people who drink, makes control of doping much more practical than Prohibition (which I wouldn't have supported on other grounds, but it certainly wasn't practical to enforce.) Were doping completely legal the number of athletes doping, the doses used, and the medical harm done would be orders of magnitude greater than it is today.  We can't stop all murders or burglaries. Does that mean we should get rid of the laws against those crimes?    

You do realize that Billionaire ($2.7 billion) Mike Ilitch, Sr, owns the Detroit Tigers? He is the one who got the sweetheart deal for Comerica. I guarantee there were zero players involved with the negotiations.Yet you blame the players (of team sports?), not the billionaire owner or the politicians who make the bad deals. Why no anger for the owner or the policitos? Yet somehow you are ok with skiers, tennis players, musicians, and actors. Is it because you have no idea that the various layers of government in the US have spent tax dollars on these select entertainers?

Skiers - 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics  - $1.5 billion from the USA congress.

Tennis - US Open is played at a venue owned and operated by the USTA on public parkland of NYC

Musicians - stadium tours in the same venues you complain about

Actors - are in movies/tv that pit one location against another location in order to get the best deals

 

Who "overpays" these "5.0 ERA pitcher or .230 hitter" that you mention? Why its Billionaires like Mike Ilitch who had 12 losing season during the first 13 years he owned the Tigers. How is it you have no wrath for Ilitch? 

 

Comparing doping to murders and burglaries is absurd.

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You do realize that Billionaire ($2.7 billion) Mike Ilitch, Sr, owns the Detroit Tigers? He is the one who got the sweetheart deal for Comerica. I guarantee there were zero players involved with the negotiations.Yet you blame the players (of team sports?), not the billionaire owner or the politicians who make the bad deals. Why no anger for the owner or the policitos? Yet somehow you are ok with skiers, tennis players, musicians, and actors. Is it because you have no idea that the various layers of government in the US have spent tax dollars on these select entertainers?

Skiers - 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics  - $1.5 billion from the USA congress.

Tennis - US Open is played at a venue owned and operated by the USTA on public parkland of NYC

Musicians - stadium tours in the same venues you complain about

Actors - are in movies/tv that pit one location against another location in order to get the best deals

 

Who "overpays" these "5.0 ERA pitcher or .230 hitter" that you mention? Why its Billionaires like Mike Ilitch who had 12 losing season during the first 13 years he owned the Tigers. How is it you have no wrath for Ilitch? 

 

Comparing doping to murders and burglaries is absurd.

Good points about skiers, tennis players, and musicians, although we probably could argue about the details but what would be the point. As far as blaming, I don't believe I blamed the athletes--if I said overpaid and overindulged I guess the implication would be that the blame would fall on those who overpay and overindulge them--the billionaire owners, as you say, and the public.  I don't begrudge the athletes for getting what they can--for most of them there overpaid years are few and an awful lot of them end up broke, and broken (and too often brain damaged.)  Of course doping is not as bad as murder or burglary--my point is simply that you don't stop trying to control a crime just because you can't stop every one, or even most of them. I have plenty of wrath--although I think it would be more at the level of indignation--against the owners. Don't even get me started on the Maloofs.

 

And for the anti--anti doping, "we don't want a nanny state" folks, here's one more argument--all sports have rules.  You could define sports as play with rules.  Sports without rules make no sense (unless you're a Native American lacrosse player back in the day).  All sports rules have penalties for infractions-15 yards, two minutes, DQ, suspension, lifetime ban (Pete Rose).  Even if doping were perfectly legal sport still could and should have rules against it IMO, with the means to enforce those rules.   

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