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Anyone skiing on Dalbello Scorpion SR 130?

post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 

I just got fitted into the aforementioned boot and I'm looking forward to trying them out on snow!  In the meantime, I was wondering whether any Bears out there own this boot and what their impressions are?  

 

From what I can tell (and why I bought them over any other boot in the store) they are:

(1) on the stiff end of their 130 flex rating;

(2) very responsive (their flex seems to start right away as compared to some other boots I tried that seemed to have a more progressive feel);

(3) very torsionally stiff (these boots are absolute bricks, even in the warmth of the store in summertime);

(4) a more upright stance than other race boots (I have the yellow, flatter, footboards in -- does anyone have any comments on the white footboards?);

(5) functional, but completely average buckles;

(6) very basic ankle strap (I put on my Booster for the shell, but kept the factory strap to clamp down the liner, but this is something I'm still messing with); and

(7) a very nice, tough, lace-up liner that feels substantial and is fitted beautifully to my foot after a heat mold. 

 

Like all wise boot purchases, I bought the boot that felt the best anatomically-speaking and that also had the qualities I'm looking for in a ski boot (energy and responsiveness).  But, like all big purchases, I have a little buyer's remorse: Are these TOO stiff?  Are they TOO much a one-trick pony that will let me down in the bumps and backcountry? Anyway, any comments on these boots from their users would be greatly appreciated!

 

Hope everyone is having a great off season!!

post #2 of 6

I've been skiing the 150 for 1-1/2 seasons now.

quite cold, but I'm also in a VERY tight fit.
Buckles are avg. my lower left cuff one doesn't want to open with gloves on.
No problem with the original strap if tighten under the cuff not over it.
Good liners.
you feel a lot up until your feet go numb.
I've been playing around with the yellow and white seppas and I prefer the white. (Dalbello says something about which one to use depending on what risers you have one, but I don't remember)

Overall happy has race boots, def not great for everyday skiing.

post #3 of 6

    Quote AlbuquerqueDan:  "Are these TOO stiff?"

 

    It's comparatively easy to make a stiff boot softer than vice-versa. Same holds true for volume. I ski my Salomon WC 140's everywhere, BTW....

 

   zenny

post #4 of 6

I have the 110s so a bit softer than the 130s. I am 6'2" and about 180 lbs right now and ski from slow to very fast on a variety of terrain but I mostly end up skiing trees and big off-piste style bumps (not ones that have a tight zipper line) . I have varied from about 170 to almost 190 since getting these boots two seasons ago. At 170 they seemed a bit stiff in bumps and at 190 they seemed a bit soft at warm temperatures. These boots seem stiffer than many other comparable boots including others with higher flex ratings. I think these are the sweet spot for me in terms of stiffness. It is easy to put the strap over or under the boot shell but you could cut the upper, outer overlap to make it even easier to decouple the strap from the front of the shell - I think there is even a guide line for this cut.

 

The boots are very hard to get on and off unless they are at room temperature. I have had my foot stuck half way in (and out) when trying to put them on or take them off in a parking lot. Thankfully most of my skiing is from my condo at the base of the hill, I probably couldn't live with these boots otherwise.

 

The plastic on the medial wall is very thick so punches have taken many attempts to get right. I have a wide slightly pronated ankle and heel and narrow forefoot so I had a lot of work done on the medial ankle area in addition to posting footbeds. Although the instep is not too high there is a lot of room at the top of the lower shell overlap in front of the shin which seems common to very stiff boots since with out that space nobody would be able to get their foot in.

 

If the boot fits you well but they seem too stiff, get them softened. Play around with the cuff spine bolts and strap vs booster strap, over vs under the shell etc. I found a big difference in over vs under the shell that I have not found on some other boots.

post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies, gang!  

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Originally Posted by 98brg2d View Post

. . . you could cut the upper, outer overlap to make it even easier to decouple the strap from the front of the shell - I think there is even a guide line for this cut.

 

 

Yeah, there's a nice little grove that you can use as a guide.  The bootfitter said that removing the top portion (about a cm or so) converts it from a more slalom-oriented boot into a more GS/SG-oriented boot (seems plausible to me).  

 

As for getting them on and off, I'm used to having a rough time (I have literally lost skin getting out of my Diablos on cold days -- it's just a good excuse to sit by a fire with a beer for a little apres, no worries there!)

post #6 of 6

You also asked about backcountry performance:

 

Skinning Up: up hill is ok in terms of forward flex with the boot open. Since I pronate, if I stride enough to unweight my heel my ankle ends up hitting the side of the shell which is painful over long distances and makes side hilling on hard snow difficult - almost want to tighten the whole boot up to stop the flopping. If you have very little room side to side you will probably run into the same issue even if you don't pronate since you have to open the whole boot to get adequate forward flex.

 

Skinning Down hill: horrible, no backward flex + very stiff + forward lean = very uncomfortable. Need to flip off the climbing bar a lot.

 

Skinning Flat/skating long distances: gets horrible after a while. I skated/kicked across Lake Louise as part of a 7 mile tour and it was brutal.

 

Walking/standing: forward lean and a very slippery sole make standing on the side or top of a slope at least uncomfortable and tiring and at worst scary if the slope is hard packed or icy. Vibram soles exist for this reason. Standing above 2000' vert on an icy knife ridge is not something I want to do again in these boots, very sobering. The SF may be better than the SR in this regard since it has replaceable sole plates.

 

Boot packing: heavy. make sure to buckle them partially to get back control.

 

Skiing down: As good as anything if the boot fits and you like the flex. 

 

Overall: this boot is not designed in any way, shape or form to make your life easy in the back country. I can't imagine anything being any worse other than a true plug boot.

 

I have been having weird binding releases when matched with a Marker Tour F12 on the up and the down. It is not a great combination and I have read of other Dalbellos not working well with other Marker bindings. Not fun having your ski release during a steep kick-turn. I do find that the net ramp angle is my favorite in this combination though and skis very nicely in all conditions.

 

Now lift accessed back country with no skinning and an alpine binding is a whole other story. These ski well in all conditions with great control assuming they fit properly.

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