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post #121 of 148

I have skied both the S7 and Savory 7.  What kind of feedback are you looking for? 

post #122 of 148

With these babies sitting next to my desk, just waiting to be mounted up with their new bindings, I had a flashback to the early 1970s!

The yellow and black graphic evokes the old Dynamic VR17 look from about 1973-1974!

Anyone else remember those skis?

post #123 of 148

soul 7 with pivot fks 140 bindings

picked these up at the local ski show, the rossignol rep was amazing to talk to.  He sold me the skis for $500 brand new still in the wrapping.  I am 5'10" 180 pounds I went with the 180 hopefully I made the right decision.

post #124 of 148
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Originally Posted by Blue Streak View Post
 

 

With these babies sitting next to my desk, just waiting to be mounted up with their new bindings, I had a flashback to the early 1970s!

The yellow and black graphic evokes the old Dynamic VR17 look from about 1973-1974!

Anyone else remember those skis?

 Color is about the only thing the Soul 7 has in common with VR17s! Have fun with your new boards!

post #125 of 148
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Originally Posted by FA5CIVIC View Post

soul 7 with pivot fks 140 bindings

picked these up at the local ski show, the rossignol rep was amazing to talk to.  He sold me the skis for $500 brand new still in the wrapping.  I am 5'10" 180 pounds I went with the 180 hopefully I made the right decision.
I am same weight and an inch shorter and went with the 180's as well, after demoing them last spring. Now all you need are some red boots to match your bindings.wink.gif
post #126 of 148

yep, I remember the Dynamic - that's funny 'cause I was just thinking a bit ago that the Soul7's gonna become a cult ski like the old Rossi Haute Route, remember those ?

 

oops,first post, first screw up - meant to quote Blue Streak but was registering at the same time as trying to post/quote


Edited by pursang - 12/2/13 at 1:52am
post #127 of 148
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Originally Posted by pursang View Post
 

yep, I remember the Dynamic - that's funny 'cause I was just thinking a bit ago that the Soul7's gonna become a cult ski like the old Rossi Haute Route, remember those ?

 

oops,first post, first screw up - meant to quote Blue Streak but was registering at the same time as trying to post/quote

That's a fun first post. :D

post #128 of 148
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Originally Posted by Gostan View Post


I am same weight and an inch shorter and went with the 180's as well, after demoing them last spring. Now all you need are some DEEP SNOW TO COVER YOUR your bindings.wink.gif

 

 

fixed it for you!  (whatever happened to the strike through button) 

post #129 of 148
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Originally Posted by FA5CIVIC View Post
 

soul 7 with pivot fks 140 bindings

picked these up at the local ski show, the rossignol rep was amazing to talk to.  He sold me the skis for $500 brand new still in the wrapping.  I am 5'10" 180 pounds I went with the 180 hopefully I made the right decision.

 

Just FYI if anyone in the Reno/Tahoe/Carson Valley area is looking for a pair of these I just noticed that CV Sports in Carson City has them on sale for $400.  Best price I've seen to date. 

post #130 of 148

So, I just skied these for 2 straight days, in fresh snow. First day was at Loveland, where it snowed hard all day, about a foot total. We had untracked, tracked, crud, whatever. Absolutely in love with them. Occasionally when carving, the outside tip would hang up a little, but that was fixed by just driving that forward a little and not riding it, which I probably should have already been doing, so thank you Skis for the reminder. Moguls were fun, although fortunately I didn't get to test out any hard bumps. 

 

Yesterday was more of a full on pow day, with 8 in. to a foot reported, and up to 18 in. in some spots. Mostly the skis were just as wonderful, but a few times the tips really hung up on me, even in untracked snow, and I lurched forward. Never ate it, but it was awkward. In fact, it reminded me of what I didn't like about the S7. (Eventually I skied a 188 S7 and that solved the issue, but I never bought one.) I am on the 180, and it certainly didn't feel too long or too short, just right in fact. Obviously it isn't a big burly crud ski, but this wasn't just happening in crud, it happened on the first run of the day, when everything was fresh and clean. In fact, it happened more in untracked snow than in tracked.

 

This morning it occurred to me that it was only happening on the runs where the manmade snow was mixed in with the deitymade; later when we went and skied off the beaten path, I never had that issue at all. It was also pretty cold, so I wonder if that was a thing. I have purple wax on them, down to about 10 degrees I think, and that's about what it was. Of course as long as I turn, it's fine, but this was mostly on the flatter section at the end of a run, where I wanted to just blast. I guess it isn't a blaster. 

 

Everything else is as I've read, but I am still a bit curious about that tip. The tail is, as reported, much better than S7, IMO.

post #131 of 148
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Originally Posted by jdleuck View Post
 

 

Just FYI if anyone in the Reno/Tahoe/Carson Valley area is looking for a pair of these I just noticed that CV Sports in Carson City has them on sale for $400.  Best price I've seen to date. 

That just pisses me off!!! ;)

post #132 of 148

That $400 price. You sure it's the "Soul 7". There are a bunch of new Rossi skiis with the word 7 in them.

 

I'm still waiting on my black and white Freeski 120 XL 2014 bindings from Rossignol. It's been 3 months now the store had them ordered.

Trying to avoid the bright orange, but I'd hate to give up a whole ski season waiting.

Anyone know what is going on?

post #133 of 148
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

So, I just skied these for 2 straight days, in fresh snow. First day was at Loveland, where it snowed hard all day, about a foot total. We had untracked, tracked, crud, whatever. Absolutely in love with them. Occasionally when carving, the outside tip would hang up a little, but that was fixed by just driving that forward a little and not riding it, which I probably should have already been doing, so thank you Skis for the reminder. Moguls were fun, although fortunately I didn't get to test out any hard bumps. 

 

Yesterday was more of a full on pow day, with 8 in. to a foot reported, and up to 18 in. in some spots. Mostly the skis were just as wonderful, but a few times the tips really hung up on me, even in untracked snow, and I lurched forward. Never ate it, but it was awkward. In fact, it reminded me of what I didn't like about the S7. (Eventually I skied a 188 S7 and that solved the issue, but I never bought one.) I am on the 180, and it certainly didn't feel too long or too short, just right in fact. Obviously it isn't a big burly crud ski, but this wasn't just happening in crud, it happened on the first run of the day, when everything was fresh and clean. In fact, it happened more in untracked snow than in tracked.

 

This morning it occurred to me that it was only happening on the runs where the manmade snow was mixed in with the deitymade; later when we went and skied off the beaten path, I never had that issue at all. It was also pretty cold, so I wonder if that was a thing. I have purple wax on them, down to about 10 degrees I think, and that's about what it was. Of course as long as I turn, it's fine, but this was mostly on the flatter section at the end of a run, where I wanted to just blast. I guess it isn't a blaster. 

 

Everything else is as I've read, but I am still a bit curious about that tip. The tail is, as reported, much better than S7, IMO.

 

Skied these a few more times, in some deeeep snow (a good foot today on top of what fell all last week, in just-opened terrain, so thigh deep in places), and the tip thing isn't really a thing. I think it was the manmade snow. I don't know how it would do in really heavy, cement-y snow, but in wintery CO stuff, not a problem whatsoever.

post #134 of 148
You prefer the soul 7 over the super 7 sounds like? I've been looking to simplify my quiver and possibly selling my older 185jj and my big akjj to just get a 188cm soul7. My akjj just don't see enough use where I live and they are a big ski to be on all day. I have a older Kendo, a sick day 95, and thinking soul 7 for the powder ski. Since you are a Rossi rep you might have a good insight. I ski a lot of bumps so that's why leaning towards soul 7. And there is no way that the 188cm soul 7 doesn't float better than my 185 cm JJ. Not as center mounted should help keep the tips up more in deep.
post #135 of 148

Anybody else notice that the top sheets on these are fragile?  Mine look more beat up after 5 days of use than my 3 year old pair of MX78's that were used as my daily driver.

post #136 of 148
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

Anybody else notice that the top sheets on these are fragile?  Mine look more beat up after 5 days of use than my 3 year old pair of MX78's that were used as my daily driver.

Yes, that is an annoying trait of Rossignol skis. The pair of Souls I demoed in Big Sky the last week of last season couldn't have been in service very long but they looked like they were 5 years old.  I don't know why they don't put tip protectors on them when the material chips so easily.  I ease the chips and nicks with sandpaper or a file as they can easily draw blood if you run your hand down them.

 

I have noticed however that the Rossi's that are in rental pools tend to have tip protectors on them.

post #137 of 148
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Originally Posted by JW MN View Post
 

Yes, that is an annoying trait of Rossignol skis. The pair of Souls I demoed in Big Sky the last week of last season couldn't have been in service very long but they looked like they were 5 years old.  I don't know why they don't put tip protectors on them when the material chips so easily.  I ease the chips and nicks with sandpaper or a file as they can easily draw blood if you run your hand down them.

 

I have noticed however that the Rossi's that are in rental pools tend to have tip protectors on them.


I don't know if it's all Rossi's. I had S3's two years ago that looked almost new after a dozen days of use.

post #138 of 148

I used to think Rossis were flimsy.  I now think Rossi makes a great ski.  I have 178 E88, 180 E98, 188 S7, and 188 Soul7.  I use my skis a lot and beat them on the rocks a bit.  I think they have held up pretty well for me. 

post #139 of 148
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

Anybody else notice that the top sheets on these are fragile?  Mine look more beat up after 5 days of use than my 3 year old pair of MX78's that were used as my daily driver.

 

Hmmm. I have not noticed that at all, actually. I have about 10 days on mine. I have heard tales, though, about breakage and lack of durability, so I'm planning on being very careful when I transport them. They seem like a pretty awesome travel ski, so I think they will for sure go in the Sporttube.

post #140 of 148
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

Hmmm. I have not noticed that at all, actually. I have about 10 days on mine. I have heard tales, though, about breakage and lack of durability, so I'm planning on being very careful when I transport them. They seem like a pretty awesome travel ski, so I think they will for sure go in the Sporttube.

Seg, if you're using a single sport tube rather than the double, the Soul's are just about the largest ski you can just barely get into one.smile.gif
post #141 of 148
Question
Soul 7 versus sin 7?

5'9" 180 pound expert with good carving technique. 80% on piste. 20% bowls inbounds. I free ski a Fischer race sl as they make awesome carvers and I like the short radius carves. Volkl tigersharks before the fischers. I Bought the e98 in 188 to replace my dynastar mythic riders as my all mountian skis. Loved the mythic riders but not great for soft snow but I used to live in SoCal and they were great on Sierra cement. Now live in WA.

I did not like the e98 at all and after 3 days listed them for sale. Very stiff, heavy and when I put them on their sides to carve, they went straight and I went left without them. I couldn't flex them and for me they had a 99 meter radius (kidding but only slightly)

I demoed the soul 7 on an super hard packed day at whistler (ice) 2 weeks ago and was massively impressed with the edge hold on ice. They even wanted to carve a little bit and it was really firm. Super ski and the swing weight is amazing. Really an amazing ski
I'm wondering if my like of short radius carving and mostly on piste has be suited to want to carve the sin 7 over the soul 7. What reviews i can find online portray the sin as an intermediate ski. For me if it's groomed, the sl skis come out. If it's super deep I have line influence in 115 wide. I'm wanting the in-between that carves hard pack best but makes some laps in the steep bowls as well. I guess what I'm asking is if there is a drastic carving difference between the sin and soul. If yes I opt for carving and keep my line 115s. If they are pretty close to each other I get the souls and ditch my wide ones. From my demo the soul can handle anything. Thanks for the opinion. Chris
post #142 of 148
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

Anybody else notice that the top sheets on these are fragile?  Mine look more beat up after 5 days of use than my 3 year old pair of MX78's that were used as my daily driver.


Yes, to stop tip chatter they kept the weight down by not offering any protection at the tips, also if the sides knock each other they damage way too easy, but I still prefer it that way, to having a heavier ski with less performance.

post #143 of 148
I know in my case it's from knocking them together. But big more chunks of top sheet get sliced off on these compared to any other ski I have owned in the recent past. Doesn't affect how they ski, but will obviously affect resale value.
post #144 of 148
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Question
Soul 7 versus sin 7?

5'9" 180 pound expert with good carving technique. 80% on piste. 20% bowls inbounds. I free ski a Fischer race sl as they make awesome carvers and I like the short radius carves. Volkl tigersharks before the fischers. I Bought the e98 in 188 to replace my dynastar mythic riders as my all mountian skis. Loved the mythic riders but not great for soft snow but I used to live in SoCal and they were great on Sierra cement. Now live in WA.

I did not like the e98 at all and after 3 days listed them for sale. Very stiff, heavy and when I put them on their sides to carve, they went straight and I went left without them. I couldn't flex them and for me they had a 99 meter radius (kidding but only slightly)

I demoed the soul 7 on an super hard packed day at whistler (ice) 2 weeks ago and was massively impressed with the edge hold on ice. They even wanted to carve a little bit and it was really firm. Super ski and the swing weight is amazing. Really an amazing ski
I'm wondering if my like of short radius carving and mostly on piste has be suited to want to carve the sin 7 over the soul 7. What reviews i can find online portray the sin as an intermediate ski. For me if it's groomed, the sl skis come out. If it's super deep I have line influence in 115 wide. I'm wanting the in-between that carves hard pack best but makes some laps in the steep bowls as well. I guess what I'm asking is if there is a drastic carving difference between the sin and soul. If yes I opt for carving and keep my line 115s. If they are pretty close to each other I get the souls and ditch my wide ones. From my demo the soul can handle anything. Thanks for the opinion. Chris

 

I can't help you with the Soul vs Sin comparison, but I really believe the reason you didn't like the E98 was you got it too long.

 

The 180 in that ski is a totally different animal from the 188.  I love my pair of 180's and I outweigh you by 10-15#.

 

Your complaint about the 188cm E98 is 100% in line with others I've heard from all but the heaviest and most aggressive skiers.

 

It probably won't happen anytime soon, but since I have a pair of Soul 7's (188), I'll demo some Sins some day and post my impressions.

post #145 of 148

Bob,

 

Do you have any experience on the new Super 7? Im trying to decide if the Soul 7 could replace my old 185 JJ that I have loved and my 195 AKjj that I just don't use that much. I know based on my Armada quiver that going Super 7 probably makes more sense but I never really needed my normal JJ's wider, i just wanted them longer because I always felt like I was going over the tips on deep days. Im 6'1 and roughly 178lbs, 42 years old. I prefer shorter turning radius skis and my JJ's were always that. I ski a ton of moguls too, wether they are soft and fresh or skied out. Based on the design of the new Rossi they look like they would float better than my JJ. Any thoughts? 

post #146 of 148

OK, coming back to post a follow up on my previous Sin7 versus Soul7 question.  I just had a chance to demo the Sin7 at Whistler today.  Two week old hardpack snow.... hard!   The Sin7 surprised me by how well it held up on the hardpack.  I took it through what I consider to be the single worst snow condition, 2-4" of man made on top of a sheet of ice.  They held up as good as frontside skis.  As the day softened, I was able to take them to some blue groomers and try to put them over on their sides like carving skis. To my surprise, they took an early edge and rode around a nice 15M radius carve. wow.  The soul7 wanted to carve and I'm sure it could sort of carve, but the sin7 would allow me to ride it like I ride my SL skis, rolling them over early and just following the radius around to the next turn.  what a surprise granted this is not a race sl ski but this is as close as you can get to a proper carving ski with nearly 100cm of waist as I've seen.  Next up was another not so lovely test condition....  hard ice patches between heavy slush moguls. yuck.  the sin7 did great in these.  edge hold for the icy crap with those nice powder shovels up front to float through the heavy slush without missing a beat.  Did my sin7s just make the slush feel like it wasn't there because i just cruised through it, yep.  The sin7 was much quicker through the moguls edge to edge than the soul 7 and the swing weight felt about the same even though the sin doesn't have the fancy tips like the soul.  they felt the same in weight to me but I really appreciated the more nimble feel of the sin.  So... if you already have an all mountain ski and want a powder ski that can still hold a little edge, the soul7 is really amazing.  If you want a do everything well 100cm ski that can also carve frontside groomers, the sin7 is the better ski.  I've just found a ski that when I get on a plane, I will be content just taking one set no matter what I'm going to get on the other side when I arrive.  The only downside I can see is I'm not sure I would want to take them warp 6 doing GS turns.  but then again, i dont think I would do that with anything that has a powder front shovel, period.   Both are great, soul for charging the bowls, sin for charging the whole mountain and the bowls.

post #147 of 148
An experience with Bonafides and Kabookies in comparison to the sin 7 for a one ski quiver? Like you described about getting on a plane and picking just one ski. Sounds like a very hidden and underrated ski from your review.
post #148 of 148
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I was just wondering if anyone has tried the new Rossignol Soul 7 in deep snow?  All the reviews of seen rave about its remarkable ability in hardpack, crud, etc, but I was wondering how it did in deep powder?

Admittedly my first day on the Soul 7's, but today's 18-24" at Loveland (27" in the last 48 hours) should suffice for 'deep' snow.

The reviews seem to be pretty spot on as far as light swing weight, and quickness/agility; seems to be a great tree and better than average bump ski, and although there wasn't much hard stuff, I seemed to be able to lean on the edge and get them to rail a bit.

As far as the deep snow goes, they rocked! Never felt the tips dive even when suddenly going into a deeper patch of snow, and I could almost always see them regardless of snow depth, which led to a really surfy quality to the turn. They never wanted to take me a direction I didn't want to go, and are very quick to get around when needed. Easy to ski, for sure.

Granted only one really high quality day on them, but they're everything I hoped they'd be after reading the reviews.
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