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post #211 of 219

oups! Yes...

post #212 of 219
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

This is an interesting scenario, about the idiot, uh excuse me, fast moving skier, passing the parent and kid. But does it have any validity? As a parent who has followed right behind his slow moving kids sometimes, I've found that 1) when I don't, and give them the space you advocate, they're at higher risk of being taken out by a FMS. Or more likely, a Faster Moving Boarder. It's happened a number of times, so not conjectural or a model on my part. 2) When I do follow closely, I'm acting as a "sweeper," the term my wife and I used to use when she went in front and me behind: We swept the area so that if an idiot, oh sorry again, a Fast Moving Something, needed to take out one of us it would be me. Or less likely, my wife. And again, this is not a hypothetical; I've been hit from above by a FMS/FMB three times in the past 5 years while sweeping for my kid; every one of those, the boarder or skier was on a line that would have put him right on top of my kid in the next second. A proper sweep, incidentally, is not simply following the arcs your kid's doing. It's occupying the terrain above them where a FMS/FMB would begin a line that will end up where your son or daughter is going to be in the next few seconds. All about anticipation, physics, and a lot of uphill glances over the shoulder. 

 

Yeah I know, that makes it awkward for all you downhill racer studs - who, oddly, tend to accelerate out of control if you can't make your turn just where planned - and who like to ply your craft on green or light blue groomers full of kids and intermediates. I feel so bad. See the tear? :rotflmao: 

Does it have any validity? Just my opinion, based on passing a lot of parent-kid combos.  I guess if someone is completely out of control and can't turn at all they'll hit you instead of your kid. The times I've been hit from behind have been when I've slowed down in crowded conditions, usually approaching a lift.

Last year I saw a guy--skier, middle aged--literally using slower skiers as gates, turning as close to them as possible. This on the flat runout of Summit Chair at Alpine Meadows. 

The nice thing about boarders is you can hear them coming and brace for impact. I see more skiers than boarders going too fast for (crowd) conditions, but maybe that's because of where I ski.

post #213 of 219
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post
 
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First and for most kids should be protected. Alone = unsupervised.   Let me rephrase this that your old grizziled mind may understand. Would you let your kid 6 to 8 years old walk alone in a major city by themselves.  No.

Why not?  I grew up in Montreal.  I walked home from school every day, and I survived just fine.  Are you saying my parents should have been jailed?  Sure there is a slight risk that something could happen, but it is so slight that there are too many other riskier things to worry about. 

post #214 of 219

Times have changed somewhat unfortunately, there seems to be less of community watchfulness going on than there was in the older days.  Innocent things we did then were considered normal and now criminal.  Shame really.

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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

Does it have any validity? Just my opinion, based on passing a lot of parent-kid combos.  I guess if someone is completely out of control and can't turn at all they'll hit you instead of your kid. The times I've been hit from behind have been when I've slowed down in crowded conditions, usually approaching a lift.
Last year I saw a guy--skier, middle aged--literally using slower skiers as gates, turning as close to them as possible. This on the flat runout of Summit Chair at Alpine Meadows. 
The nice thing about boarders is you can hear them coming and brace for impact. I see more skiers than boarders going too fast for (crowd) conditions, but maybe that's because of where I ski.

Yes, I've had people's passes pulled for using ski school kids and groups as gates. It's common sense. We slow down when things get crowded. If I don't, the area can terminate my employment. The rules about this are pretty explicit. Hope people start skiing soon... Several threads are getting 'itchy'.
post #216 of 219

Plenty of kids take the subway or bus to school even these days, but 6-8? Not so much.

post #217 of 219
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Plenty of kids take the subway or bus to school even these days, but 6-8? Not so much.


That's because of paranoid parents subject to the barage of news reports making the risk seem higher than it is.

post #218 of 219

Well a lot of the "risk" is hassles from older kids. Not necessarily serial predators. Six is pretty young to be riding the subway alone. People would look out for them though despite the gloom and doom sayers. Worst time on the subways is often around 3pm after school gets out and you've got a lot of teenagers with too much energy acting stupid.

post #219 of 219

6-8 year olds can ski by themselves--at least some of them. 16 year olds are the ones who need close adult supervision. 

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