Originally Posted by NECoach
I see. I am thinking move that hand up and to the outside - counter in place of the rotation. Get the shoulders and hips leveled at least somewhat. Full banking is risky. I do not see a tactical reason for it here. Shiffrin loses balance to the inside in at least 4 turns on this run because of banking. She is a phenomenal athlete at any age!
Instead of diving into what "should" be, its beneficial when doing this type of MA to take the time to figure out what "is".
Here is how to MA this squence:
Caveat: This is an analysis of technique - at WC level a lot more time is actually spent on tactics....
Step 1: look at skis - are they working? Easy to see skid from 7 to 8.
Step 2: Ask "why"? - Moved in too quick with upper body at 6, resulting in being too far inside at 7 resulting in the ski break away - recover by 8.
More Detail - from 7 to 8. No doubt the decsion to clear the gate with the outside hand was actually made at 4. The slip at 7 was unplanned, but she likely knew she was out of position at 6 - trust me, when you coach these guys, they know before you do. What should she have done from 6 to 8? Not much she could have done other then what she did - place the feet to catch the mass...stack - done by 7. Skidding from 7 to 8 - cant do much on a skidding ski (making NECoach's suggestions impossible) - certainly cant angulate. Committed long ago to clearing the gate with the outside hand, not gonna change it now...way too many important things going on with the feet.
Proof - compare shot 1 to shot 6, and shot 2,3 to shot 7. Notice how in the first turn, she gets "shoulders level" at the top of the turn, and this carries through the turn? Then in 6 to 7 she gets inside with the shoulders, and carrries this through? "A turn that begins well, is a turn that ends well".
Rotation - is she rotated in 8? NO. Why is upper body rotation bad? Because when the hip gets pulled around, it pulls the outside ski off of edge. So lets look. Is the ski in 8 on less edge then 7 or 6? No. How is this possible? Lets look up the chain...is the hip being rotated around? NO. Is the shoulder? Yes. But if the shoulder moves, and doesnt affect the hips - no foul. Here she moves the shoulder with twist in the spine...the hips are left solid...she is likley even more countered in 8 than 7. Compare the patches at the top of her bib, with the patches at the bottom - note only the top moves "in". This is a very important concept to understand.
Look at these shots:
Now, I have no doubt, NECoach would consider the top skier to be rotated, and the lower skier to be countered. In fact the opposite is true. While the shoulders and hands are a often good guide to what is happening at the hips- they are only a visual clue, as the shoulders/hands are often easier to see then the hips....however it is the hips we are concerened about. So use the shoulders/hands but you need confirm at the hips....here it is obvious the upper skiers hips are well placed, while the bottom skiers hips are rotated, forcing her A-Frame (see the A-frame?). (Note obvioulsy Lyndsey doesnt ski like this, but some photographer is poseing her...she does a good job cosmetically hiding the A-Frame...but the errors/danger is still there...well danger if she was really skiing).
Some may ask, how do I see, really see, the upper skiers hips? Well I cant really, but I can see the very high edge angles, and signficant angulation...not possible if the hips werent well placed.
So in summary - Shiffirin issues start at 6 (moved in too quick with shoulders), causing her slip at 7, but she recovers well by 8. The fix, work on lateral balance at transition/intiation phase to rectify problems seen in control phase.
Final point - Banking vs Angulation (sorry just using NECoach's "terminology").
First is Shifirin "banking"? Yes. Banking is getting too far inside - often caused by lack of angulation. Is it every a good idea? No never. Always ski in balance (lone exception we are out of lateral balance during the X by definition - but Shiffirin is too out here and carries it to 7) Is she "banking" at 8? Well I cant say with 100% without seeing video (I cant get the video to work) but I'd say "no". Note she doesnt increase her inclination from 7 to 8 as you would normally expect, (she is too far in at 7, so she is not going to move in more going to 8, this is part of her recovery!). But if she isnt angulated at 8, doesnt that mean she is "banking"? Not necessarily - in fact, since I know who the skier is - likley she isnt. Why? Because she is FAST. What does angulation do for us? It allows us to increase the edge angle, without increasing our inclination....so 2 skiers, skiing the same line on the same slope with the same side cut, but one is moving faster, and one is moving slower...will they look the same? No. The slower skier will need to show more angulation to maintain the same lateral balance due to less turning forces due to their lower speed.
So to recap the final point -
- banking is never good, ie there will never be a tactical time to do it.
- Just because we are not angulated does not mean we are banking
- Faster skiers will show, and should show, less angulation for a given turn then slower skiers all other things being equal (slope, gear, etc).