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post #61 of 71
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Which makes sense in a way since Vonn is a speed girl and not a tech girl.

I was just clarifying that weight lifting is still very important, even if now there's a shift in focus towards "new-age" training (yoga, pilates, etc)

Yeah a lot of the new-age and unstable surface (bosu, Swiss ball) stuff, along with O-lifts, I think will be viewed in a similar light to mullets in another few years, though some of it can be pretty neat in its own way. 

 

As regards performance, there's an interesting ranking.  Basically, force Vonn or Reisch or whomever to stay off the bike/track (i.e., do no LT training), and they can't stay competitive.  Force them to avoid squats, and maybe they do more sled work -- inconvenient, but no biggie.  Sit around with a group of race camp coaches, and often no one still lifts (though if they were going to start racing again, yes they probably would get to the weight room again). 

 

The EPO stories are waiting to be told for the sport, though the growth hormone chins prob peaked back in the 90s along with the heavy weight emphasis.

 

For rec skiers, there are also clear implications for crosstraining, though I suspect plyos and squats/O-lifts will always be crowd-pleasers just for entertainment value, and pushed by gym trainers for that reason.

post #62 of 71

I personally believe in O-lifts, a lot.

They are complex movements, that require the activation on not only the big guys but also the stabilizers and core.
That said, I think the main point is what training is being prescribed. I don't think that explosive force, 1RM training is really appropriate for skiing. I do like O-lifts in off-season to build mass and strength.
 

Of course core is very important but I don't believe in all the "new-age" BS, like Mancuso's pic on that weird contraption. I do like SUP as it is a relaxing activity perfect in post season and works hard on upper body, core, and balance.

I do not like, nor understand the extensive biking. (at one point Vonn said she was biking some ridiculous amount like 8hr a day) Racing is not aerobic, and muscle endurance can/should be trained closer to the demands of the sport. IMO.
If you create circuit training with a good mix of plyo, agility, balance/core, you can get more anaerobic endurance (which should benefit the tech guys) while keeping a relatively low stress on the body, perfect in pre-season.

post #63 of 71
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... I do like SUP as it is a relaxing activity perfect in post season and works hard on upper body, core, and balance.

I do not like, nor understand the extensive biking. (at one point Vonn said she was biking some ridiculous amount like 8hr a day) Racing is not aerobic, and muscle endurance can/should be trained closer to the demands of the sport. IMO....

think about skiing being somewhat of a finesse sport...and finesse goes out the window when your pulse is redlined.  Maybe not as clear a thing as target shooting, but the principle is the same.  The more you stay aerobic for a given effort, the more your technique can stay present and the more you have left for those times when you do need to go anaerobic.  Vonn bikes less than the Austrians, fwiw, and she still bikes a lot. 

 

For average rec skiers, they don't even have the time to bike that much, so everything needs to be right-sized in terms of rec skier emphasis, of course.

 

SUP I totally agree is great, both surfing and flatwater forms of it. SUP fishing can be a surprisingly good workout, just by spending the day on the lake.

post #64 of 71
"SUP fishing". Wow. The cartoonists at The New Yorker must be sharpening their pencils right now.
post #65 of 71
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"SUP fishing". Wow. The cartoonists at The New Yorker must be sharpening their pencils right now.

Definitely room for humor when I do it.  But, great way to spend time either freshwater or kelp in saltwater, among others.

post #66 of 71
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... I do like SUP as it is a relaxing activity perfect in post season and works hard on upper body, core, and balance.

I do not like, nor understand the extensive biking. (at one point Vonn said she was biking some ridiculous amount like 8hr a day) Racing is not aerobic, and muscle endurance can/should be trained closer to the demands of the sport. IMO....

think about skiing being somewhat of a finesse sport...and finesse goes out the window when your pulse is redlined.  Maybe not as clear a thing as target shooting, but the principle is the same.  The more you stay aerobic for a given effort, the more your technique can stay present and the more you have left for those times when you do need to go anaerobic.  Vonn bikes less than the Austrians, fwiw, and she still bikes a lot. 

Interesting perspective! Never thought of it this way...
Not sure if I really agree with it or not... nevertheless it's nice to see things form a new angle!

Thanks!icon14.gif

PS
I did some very brief research on HR while skiing a bit ago (as part of a different research), and while HR never really "maxed out" it was def in the anaerobic zone by the end of the run. I like the concept of keeping a low HR (I guess by reducing the effort) to increase precision. Not sure how much reduction  is possible, given that some of the rise in HR is due to adrenaline, but still...

post #67 of 71
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some of the rise in HR is due to adrenaline

 

Oh! Is that what that is? I had thought my heart rate was wound up by trees, bumps, altitude, crud, gates, or any combination of the above.

 

 

 

Wait. Never mind. I guess you were right after all.

post #68 of 71
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For rec skiers, there are also clear implications for crosstraining, though I suspect plyos and squats/O-lifts will always be crowd-pleasers just for entertainment value, and pushed by gym trainers for that reason.


So squats are only for entertainment value? Hmmmmm. I didn't know that.
post #69 of 71
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some of the rise in HR is due to adrenaline

 

Oh! Is that what that is? I had thought my heart rate was wound up by trees, bumps, altitude, crud, gates, or any combination of the above.

 

 

 

Wait. Never mind. I guess you were right after all.


what? not sure if serious or not. confused.gif

I was simply saying that while HR rises in response to the increase demand of blood by the muscles, and thus reducible through training, a percentage of that rises because of the increase in adrenaline due to waiting to start, speed, risks, etc.

 

post #70 of 71
What's SUP?
The Hermanator did massive amounts of biking. They even let him forerun in the Tour de France in Paris. That was after his accident. He had no custom bike and burned himself out too early but he did pretty well considering his size.
post #71 of 71
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What's SUP?
 

 

 

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