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Mounting Bindings turned slightly toe out?

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My problem is legs and knees are crooked. When I flex my knees to a squat position, with my feet pointing straight ahead, my knees move quickly inside. When professionals make boot cuff alignment and sole canting changes to provide proper static alignment (knees straight ahead) I fight over edging on my inside edges. As adjustments were made to correct my over edging and moved toward canting in the opposite direction my edging seemed to improve but instructors noted significant A-Frame issues.

When I do squats with my toes pointing slightly out my knees will track perfectly straight ahead. I think if I mounted my bindings in a slightly “toes out” stance I could improve my skiing.

Does anyone have experience mounting ski bindings anything other than square to the ski centerline? I've talked to my local ski shop about an offset mounting position and they were not inclined to drill and mount my bindings in anything other than the "factory approved" method. Any advice on a "do it yourself" method or advice on convincing my local shop to try something that’s not traditional would be appreciated.

post #2 of 8

Interesting idea.  I tend to notice that the longer the ski day the farther out my tips spread when sitting in the lift riding back up.  Regardless, I have abnormal leg alignment as well, had casts on my legs after birth for several months to straighten out curved leg bones like Forest Gump.  So, now you know why my posts are often so dumb hahaha. 

 

Anyway, on your topic, over years and years of DIY binding mounts I occasionally have a drill bit wander and end up with a toe piece 1/8th inch over from the heel.  It doesn't seem to make any noticeable difference in my skiing when I ski gear with a slightly crooked mount.  So, if you intentionally do it I doubt it would do much of any harm. It might help your alignment and mental aspect knowing that you have tweaked it some manually via the mount.   Just be aware that if you sell the skis it will likely bother the buyer to know that they aren't as the should be.  Try it on an old pair or cheap new pair that you won't cry over if you end up hating it wink.gif

post #3 of 8

I'm interested in the direction of this thread because I suspect - but can't prove - that the Fischer "Soma stance" boots that I got a few months ago are causing a minor problem for me, in the opposite direction. (Skis seem to have a pigeon-toe tendency that I don't think they had before, in a pair of Salomons, even after several passes at alignment adjustment with the new boots.) Bootfitter claims this is unlikely because a built-in "duck foot" stance is actually common in several brands of boots, and shouldn't make that much of a difference. Wondering if the amount of yaw you're proposing to introduce with the binding mount is the same / equal to / less than the amount that manufacturers are building into boots.

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Originally Posted by steveturner View Post

My problem is legs and knees are crooked. When I flex my knees to a squat position, with my feet pointing straight ahead, my knees move quickly inside. When professionals make boot cuff alignment and sole canting changes to provide proper static alignment (knees straight ahead) I fight over edging on my inside edges. As adjustments were made to correct my over edging and moved toward canting in the opposite direction my edging seemed to improve but instructors noted significant A-Frame issues.

When I do squats with my toes pointing slightly out my knees will track perfectly straight ahead. I think if I mounted my bindings in a slightly “toes out” stance I could improve my skiing.

Does anyone have experience mounting ski bindings anything other than square to the ski centerline? I've talked to my local ski shop about an offset mounting position and they were not inclined to drill and mount my bindings in anything other than the "factory approved" method. Any advice on a "do it yourself" method or advice on convincing my local shop to try something that’s not traditional would be appreciated.

 

Have you demoed Salomon BBRs or any of the Stockli Y series?      

 

The front to back taper on those skis does exactly the same thing with the inside edges that toeing the bindings out would.

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Have you demoed Salomon BBRs or any of the Stockli Y series?      

 

The front to back taper on those skis does exactly the same thing with the inside edges that toeing the bindings out would.


Ahh but get those AND toe out the bindings on the mount!spit.gif

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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

Have you demoed Salomon BBRs or any of the Stockli Y series?      

 

The front to back taper on those skis does exactly the same thing with the inside edges that toeing the bindings out would.


Ahh but get those AND toe out the bindings on the mount!spit.gif

 

And work that adductor/abductor machine at the gym until he can squeeze beer out of a pumpkin. 

post #7 of 8

You could get the Atomic X20RS binding.

Yeah it's 20 Din, but older 18 Din model had the same tech. It has "EGA" - Edge Grip Adjustment, that allows moving the toe +/- 2mm in or out.

Also, it allows changing the for/aft position of the binding, it gives 7 or 8 set positions.

It's expensive! Roughly $500 list, but older ones new are nearly half that.

 

2013 X20RS:

 

 

Here's the 11/12 tech manual:

http://coloradodiscountskis.com/MemberArea/2010-2011%20Atomic%20Tech%20Manual.pdf

post #8 of 8
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Thanks for the feedback. I'd hoped to find someone who had actually tried mounting the bindings offset. Specific issues I am concerned about are "How much offset is enough to make a difference". Is it a 1 degree, 2 degree or 4 degree offset that's enough to make a difference?  And "What is the impact on binding release settings". Should I expect pre-release to be more of a problem etc.? Anyone with any knowledge about these 2  issues or anyone who wants to offer a guess?

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