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post #1 of 26
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Last fall I bought a pair of Bonafides as it was strong recommended as the go to ski in the 98mm width and as a do it all ski.

 

I found it generally to be very good for most every thing but one thing you cant do when you are on them is go lazy, then you cant work them. 

 

Being 6 foot 2 inches and about 200 pounds i found them totally lacking in deep pow and in beat up pow. They were simply too difficult to control and several times I just bounced out of them because I was sinking too low. And I consider myself to be an expert skier although I am not in my best forms, which is to be taken care off for next winter.

 

At the moment I am eyeing some deals on wider skis, the Icelantic Keeper and the Movement Super Turbo for example. Anyone have and opinion on those skis? 

 

Im looking for a ski that is best at pow but can do other things well... that is functional in other places. The Icelantic is appealing to me since I am Icelandic :)

 

I missed out on some Hoji's the other day but afterwards I think I'm glad because the radius seems to be way too high on them.

 

Where to go? What to do?

post #2 of 26

At our weight, a wider ski could be more fun in deep powder conditions. My deep day skis are 193 Atomic Automatics (141.5-117-130.5) and I have no problem with the float on those.  Before them I was using PM Gear Lhasa Pows in the 196 which have a similar outline to the Automatics.  My point here is not only do you need wider, BUT longer for a deep powder ski.

I also have to say that I really enjoy sinking in the snow at times, so I will ride a narrower 103 waist ski if it is only boot deep.

Edit: I love Movement skis.  If you could score a good deal on the 192 Super Turbos you would be frickin stoked on their powder performance.

post #3 of 26

Welcome to Epic! These ^^^^ are good ideas. At 200 lbs you need a lot more than 98 mm. I'd add that the advantage of a wider ski - say 115-125 - is that if you want to dial back, they'll still sink, just not all the way to the bottom. So you can control float with speed, to some degree. I've heard lots of good things about the Automatics, although keep in mind that they'll have a lot more rocker, and splay, than your Bones. So won't be as nice on firm snow. Owned some Lhasas, very nice skis, bet way more traditional in feel than the Autos, also fairly lively if that's what you like. Owned an EHP, two actually, never really made the sidecut fit my style of skiing, but many like them. Cannot speak to Movements or Icelantics, but some other possibilities - reading some desire for playfulness and versatility for a larger guy into your query - would include Praxis Ullr, Nordica Unleashed Hell, Prior Overlords, Moment Bibby's, Salomon Rocker 2 115's, and the new Rossi's coming up, especially the new Super 7. 

post #4 of 26

What size are your Bonafides, 180 or 187? I have skied the Bones in some pretty deep stuff but the limits can be there. I am not sure width is the cure but you might want something stouter. The mentioned Automatic is a great option as is the Nordica Helldorado. The Keeper is a pretty damp ski and I prefer a ski with more pop, your needs/wants could be different. There are a lot of great, big skis (not to be confused with great big skis) that will suit your needs. 

post #5 of 26

A few questions and quick reactions.

 

When you talk about a powder ski - do you really mean powder (or any fresh deep snow)? Or something a bit powder capable but still piste oriented? I ask because the discussion often devolves to this. There is a big difference between a ski that is truly powder oriented, yet capable of handling groomers, icy ridges, etc "well enough" vs an all-around ski that is pretty decent in powder. No value judgement.

 

I have skied neither the Keeper nor the Turbo. I would not mind demo-ing, but my gut reaction is the Keeper has too tight a radius and the Turbo lacks tail rocker... That said, there are some Keeper fans here.

 

I would not worry so much about sidecut as overall ski design. In deep snow, sidecut is a compromise, not a direct benefit to turning. The way a ski turns in powder depends on the tip/tail taper and rocker profile as much as anything. The sidecut comes into play on a firmer base. The very best powder skis on the planet actually have a negative sidecut (and are described as having an infinite radius) or so little sidecut it almost does not matter. They are, naturally, less than ideal on firm snow smile.gif For my .02, the Hoji is a great ski -- but maybe too narrow for what you want.

 

Where do you live? That can impact what you have ready access to.

 

My go-to suggestion is usually to look at the fatter parts of the lineups from Praxis, DPS and ON3P. Praxis still has great pre-season pricing and code "EPIC" gets another 10% off. I'm not sure where ON3P and DPS are on their sale plans. You might look at the Salomon Rocker 2 122, Atomic Bent Chetler, etc. Maybe the bigger/stiffer parts of the Rossi S7 family, etc. The Pon2oon might be worth a look...etc. I'm sure I am forgetting something.

 

Related to the above & some other posts -  I feel "powder" skis with tip and tail rocker ski powder notably better than those with only tip rocker. Some folks prefer tip rise only for skis that are intended to ski more mixed conditions. Personally, I prefer at least modest tail rocker even for mixed conditions (witness the performance of the Praxis GPO in this year's FWT). This is likely worth some investigation on your part as this is a pretty big philosophical split. "Search" will be your friend.

post #6 of 26

FWIW- the keepers like more open lines.  

 

I would echo that where (including open , tight, heavy snow, light steep, low angle, steeps, trees etc.) and how you ski (style, skill level, fast, slow) will have a lot to do with what you will find to be your "powder" ski.

post #7 of 26
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The Bones I am on are 187cm...180 would have been too short. They main problem I am having with them in powder is that when you suddenly come to someting that is much deeper than you have been skiing, then they just sink into the snow and you pop out of them. This is the biggest negative for me. Sometimes I can use them as old time sticks and ski like im in a slalom. Generally they are very good except for this and sometimes the front rocker hooks up in the snow....which I dont like at all.

 

Next winter I would like to have a bigger ski to use mainly for pow days but I would like to have it piste capable. 

 

I have seen good things being said about the about the Salomon Rocker 2, they say they are very good. Maybe the Automatic's are similar skis coming from the same group. Maybe the new Rossi's? Im a Scott fan also. Missed out on a Hoji deal because I was thinking too much, was afraid of the high radius.

 

Usually I have to stay with the big brands because locally they only have the bigger brands...I am in Iceland.

 

I would never consider a pow only ski, as i dont like flip floppy rockers and I dont like to put skis on only for the powder.

 

I am a very good skier, former racer. I have a pair of race skis which I barely like to use after I got the Bones, they are just too easy and I prefer to try to do similar things with heavier skis on....much more fun to have to put some effort into things.

post #8 of 26

Buy my Dynastar Cham 87's, they're new and i'll let them go cheap!

post #9 of 26

Looks like the recommended Automatic, Rocker2 115 are a good ticket. Look for something with a more flatter tail like these two... could also consider something like the Armada Norwalk, Line Influence 115.

post #10 of 26

Hmm, This makes me think DPS 112 RP or RPC.  

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Originally Posted by oj1966 View Post

The Bones I am on are 187cm...180 would have been too short. They main problem I am having with them in powder is that when you suddenly come to someting that is much deeper than you have been skiing, then they just sink into the snow and you pop out of them. This is the biggest negative for me. Sometimes I can use them as old time sticks and ski like im in a slalom. Generally they are very good except for this and sometimes the front rocker hooks up in the snow....which I dont like at all.

 

Next winter I would like to have a bigger ski to use mainly for pow days but I would like to have it piste capable. 

 

I have seen good things being said about the about the Salomon Rocker 2, they say they are very good. Maybe the Automatic's are similar skis coming from the same group. Maybe the new Rossi's? Im a Scott fan also. Missed out on a Hoji deal because I was thinking too much, was afraid of the high radius.

 

Usually I have to stay with the big brands because locally they only have the bigger brands...I am in Iceland.

 

I would never consider a pow only ski, as i dont like flip floppy rockers and I dont like to put skis on only for the powder.

 

I am a very good skier, former racer. I have a pair of race skis which I barely like to use after I got the Bones, they are just too easy and I prefer to try to do similar things with heavier skis on....much more fun to have to put some effort into things.

post #11 of 26

Praxis GTO or the RPC...bet he'd hate the 112...not an ex racer ski imo.

post #12 of 26

I like the Praxis suggestions and personally would love a pair of 192 Super Turbos if the price was really good. (If $400 or less pm me the infowink.gif)

post #13 of 26
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Praxis and DPS seems to US only skis...so, out of my reach. 

 

I am liking the Automatic and Rocker 2 115 or 122. Heldorado and Patron is also very interesting.

 

But based on price and recommendations here and elsewhere I might just jump on the Super Turbo deal. They are for sale in Germany sub 400 usd, 700 usd with Salomon Guardian. I will try to get a lower price since they sold the Hoji's I had on reserve.

post #14 of 26
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Praxis and DPS seems to US only skis...so, out of my reach. 

 

I am liking the Automatic and Rocker 2 115 or 122. Heldorado and Patron is also very interesting.

 

But based on price and recommendations here and elsewhere I might just jump on the Super Turbo deal. They are for sale in Germany sub 400 usd, 700 usd with Salomon Guardian. I will try to get a lower price since they sold the Hoji's I had on reserve.

That is a smokin deal.  I buy Movement skis from these guys in France  http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/

They only charge $50 USD to ship to me in California.  If the guys in Germany will ship at that cost, pm me the info, as that is a solid price.

Sometimes you can find the Atomic N Tracker binding about $100 less than the Salomon Guardian and I think they are pretty much the same binding.

My buddy rides the Rocker 2 115 and really likes them.

Have fun shopping for skisbiggrin.gif

post #15 of 26

Super solid price on that Super Turbo. Given your self description of your skiing, the flatter tail may be a good choice for you.

 

FWIW, Movement has done photo and video shoots out on the Troll Peninsula the past couple years. Super Turbo in action I believe (at least part of the time)...

 

 

 

 

Salomon Guardian and Atomic Tracker are the exact same binding but for color. It'll be sold under a couple other nameplates this year as well IIRC.

 

If you don't mind my asking, where do you live/ski in Iceland? 

post #16 of 26
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Super solid price on that Super Turbo. Given your self description of your skiing, the flatter tail may be a good choice for you.

 

FWIW, Movement has done photo and video shoots out on the Troll Peninsula the past couple years. Super Turbo in action I believe (at least part of the time)...

 

 

 

 

Salomon Guardian and Atomic Tracker are the exact same binding but for color. It'll be sold under a couple other nameplates this year as well IIRC.

 

If you don't mind my asking, where do you live/ski in Iceland? 

I think you might be right about the flat tail...been thinking about it myself. Sometimes when skiing in soft snow on the Bones I have been wanting a tail to push on. Im taking those Super Turbos on Monday :), I am quite sure I will get a summer price on the Guardian, which I know all about since I have them on my Bones.

 

If this doesnt work out I can always get Atomic or Salomon at a good price.

 

Regrettably I am from the south, where there is much less snow and shorter hills. I have to travel to the north get close to something serious. I have seen all the videos from Artic Heli Skiing and from Movements visit there in the Troll area. Fabulous stuff. I believe they used the Fly Swatter also there and Trust. Julia Mancuso was there also last winter.

post #17 of 26

I try not to project my tail rocker biases onto everyone - but I often fail smile.gif  A fair number of folks really like more of a platform tail - especially it seems ex-racers.

 

Yeah  - I saw a bunch of pictures from when Mancuso and the Warren Miller Entertainment crew were there. Makes me nuts with envy. If I had not wrecked my knee a couple months ago, I'd literally have left today for Akureyri/Dalvik (via a few sightseeing stops)... Sigh... I just love Iceland (aka "Niceland" ). There's always next year to look forward to!!! 

 

Definitely post up a review of the Super Turbos when you ski them. I'm sure I am not the only one who will be interested and would appreciate it.

post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by spindrift View PostDefinitely post up a review of the Super Turbos when you ski them. I'm sure I am not the only one who will be interested and would appreciate it.

Yep, maybe if we could get a little Movement love going here, we could get Start House to carry them sometime soon, so I could finally buy some skis from SJ and Philwink.gif

post #19 of 26
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Yep, maybe if we could get a little Movement love going here, we could get Start House to carry them sometime soon, so I could finally buy some skis from SJ and Philwink.gif

 

Not to knock anyone else, but given where you hang out, just go visit Keith. He'll fix you right up  wink.gif

post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 

hmmmm I tried to buy from Starthaus last fall but they do not ship to Iceland, was thinking about a pair of Nordica Steadfast or Hell and back.

 

This German shop will most likely ship cheaper to the US than Telemark Pyrenees (which I bought some pre stuff from last winter). They are just more ski oriented and very professional and amazingly they are English speaking Germans...which is quite rare :)

post #21 of 26

Is there a website for the German shop?

post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

 

Not to knock anyone else, but given where you hang out, just go visit Keith. He'll fix you right up  wink.gif


I really like Keith and Praxis, but over time I have moved on to other brands and Movement is likely my favorite for some silly reason????

post #23 of 26

At your size, you need a ski that is at least as long as your heigth.  If you want a shorter ski, you need to go fat; however, if you want a performance ski that is also good in the powder, go long.    I made the switch to modern skis a couple of years ago, I was on 205cm racing skis (SL & GS), now I am on a 183cm GS ski.  I am about 5'10 and 160 to 165lbs, and have no problem with these skis in any conditions, including deep powder.  That said, I do prefer to dive into the powder instead of just water skiing it which seems to be the popular thing today.   

post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 

I have seen 160 lbs guys ski in powder on SL skis without problems...sometimes I wish I was 160 lbs, especially when climbing hills on my road bike :)

post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by oj1966 View Post

Last fall I bought a pair of Bonafides as it was strong recommended as the go to ski in the 98mm width and as a do it all ski.

 

I found it generally to be very good for most every thing but one thing you cant do when you are on them is go lazy, then you cant work them. 

 

Being 6 foot 2 inches and about 200 pounds i found them totally lacking in deep pow and in beat up pow. They were simply too difficult to control and several times I just bounced out of them because I was sinking too low. And I consider myself to be an expert skier although I am not in my best forms, which is to be taken care off for next winter.

 

At the moment I am eyeing some deals on wider skis, the Icelantic Keeper and the Movement Super Turbo for example. Anyone have and opinion on those skis? 

 

Im looking for a ski that is best at pow but can do other things well... that is functional in other places. The Icelantic is appealing to me since I am Icelandic :)

 

I missed out on some Hoji's the other day but afterwards I think I'm glad because the radius seems to be way too high on them.

 

Where to go? What to do?

 

I bought some Line Motherships 3 years ago and turned me into a powder expert. They handle well on the groomed runs too but are no longer made. The Volkl Katana has a similar sidecut only 1mm wider so could be a good substitute. 

post #26 of 26

OJ1966

 

Scanning through the replies, no fans of the Bodacious spoke up, When I first rode my Bodes they struck me as fun and more fun, eventually when steeper runs finally opened, "more" meant foot fatigue, and I finally used to my trusty 98s.

 

These things just carved up the WROD like Hans Brinker and smeared sides of the run like surfboards.  

 

Of course in the deep they are most at home, untracked, tracked, chowder, and full on crud are all the same to the biggest and baddest bull on the circuit.

 

Now that my beautiful MX98s are basically retired, I need a 98 to fill the niche and I can think of plenty of candidates but the top of the short list will be a pair of the Bones.

 

I must suggest loyalty to the flipcore,

BTW Austrian skis are tough to beat.

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