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Maker Griffon Schizo vs. Marker Griffon demo binding

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Friends, I want to put a forward/aft binding on a pair of Soul 7's and am looking at these two bindings. Is there any functional or practical difference between them. They seem to both permit adjustments.

Tx

D1

post #2 of 8

If you search, you can find more discussion of this. The short version:

 

The schizo is incredibly easy to adjust the boot center fore/aft with the turn of a single screw. No need to recheck anything else. BSL adjustment is generally not so easy.

 

The demo allows you to adjust boot center, but it requires separate adjustment of the toe and heel. Not horrible, but more finicky as you need to mess with both parts and check forward pressure when adjusting. Changing BSL is exactly as easy as shifting the center. So if you want to share, it is a huge win.

 

FWIW, on skis where sharing or testing mountpoint is of interest to me, I use the demos these days. I find sharing always dominates the mountpoint experiment as it is usually easy to find the one place I want the boot center to be (most often without the need for an adjustable binding).

post #3 of 8

There shouldn't be a weight difference that can be noticed.  The demo has two screws, the regular one screw. 

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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post

There shouldn't be a weight difference that can be noticed.  The demo has two screws, the regular one screw. 


Plus the plastic mounts where the worm gear goes for the fore-aft adjectment, but again, the four plastic pieces are MAYBE an ounce.

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Thread Starter 

Much obliged gents.

I have the VIST system on several other pairs of skis. Looks like this:

 

Kastle3.jpg

 

It is great to be able to use one set of bindings for several skis - especially when traveling. And you can fine tune the boot to taste. Also you will notice the 4mm plastic shim that fits seamlessly under the toe piece, which works well for me. The TT plate (above) does not add much  if any stiffness under foot from those two metal dowels. I have other VIST plates that are one piece and do beef up a skis flex.

The only thing that discourages me from putting the VIST system on the Souls is the weight. The plates + stout bindings are going to weigh more than the Griffon. I just do know if that really matters - other than when you are carrying the skis or are skinning. I assume that the Marker Dukes and other AT bindings weigh more than the Griffon setup, and they are used on this kind of ski.

So does weight of the binding enter into the equation on a light, powder-biased ski like this ?

Tx

D1

post #6 of 8

I’ve had the opportunity to work with both of those bindings, motivated primarily by the desire to experiment with fore/aft mount points on some Volkl “goats” and a pair of S7s.  Ease of on-hill adjustment (schizo) was never a real positive since I normally didn’t do the adjustment on the hill or at most used the ski/snowboard work table at the base.  I think if I had to make a choice I’d go with the Griffon demos since they seem a bit sturdier with fewer moving parts and certainly fewer complaints than past shizo owners – though I’ve had no problems.  Also, as spindrift said, adjusting solely for the purpose of sharing is easier with the demos (after practicing on the living room floor).  Basically, whatever you can get the best deal on. 

 

And BTW, I found it extremely useful experimenting with the “goats” (two completely different yet wonderful skis at +2 and -1.5 depending on conditions) and not so useful with the Rossie S7s (“on the line” produced, for me, the best result).  YMMV

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jdleuck, thanks for your input. I assume that the Soul 7's I skied were mounted on the line, and I thought they were well-balanced at that point. At 106mm, they are not a true powder ski, but they would be the widest in my quiver. Pulling the boot back in 3D snow would be an advantage, as would moving it forward in hard conditions.

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Pulling the boot back in 3D snow would be an advantage, as would moving it forward in hard conditions.

 

Which is exactly the way it worked with the "goats".  However with the S7s I found that for me, moving off the line (fore or aft per snow conditions) had a negative impact on the way it skied.  Ya never know till ya try it - which is what I like about the adjustable bindings.  Which I'm sure you can appreciate given your use of the  VIST system.

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