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Stockli SX (FIS) vs. Stockli GS (non-FIS)?

post #1 of 17
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I'm in the market for a pair of front-side race carvers for western hardpack and am looking for some advice, especially, but not limited to the skis mentioned above.  


About me: 6'2" 180, aggressive 8+ skier, some race experience, 34 yr (grew up on skis), ski primarily in the southwest (NM, CO, UT).  


My requirements: Flat ski option (I've never felt connected to my skis using integrated bindings.  Although I'm sure they make good systems now, I'd just as soon mount my bindings on a plate); a radius between 18-23; torsionally stiff; snappy, lively ski.  I don't mind  working hard to ski.


Race Carvers I've really liked: If I could, I'd replace the pair of 2005 Dobermann GSRs (r>21 at 186) that I used to ski.  I've also enjoyed my 2003 Fischer RC4 (r>21 at 193), but those are just too burly a ski to safely ski in public.  Generally, I like Stockli (I've skied many of their StormRider models), Head (I own the Monster 88 in a 186), and Fischer (above).


Looking around at modern cheater GS skis, I have eyes for the Stockli Laser SX (FIS) 180 and the GS in either 180 or 185.  Does anyone have any insights into either of these skis for a guy like me?  Anyone have any other suggestions?


Thanks for all your help!

post #2 of 17

I'd look at the non-FIS GS ski in185cm as a 'race carver' for skiing around the mountain. The FIS SX is going to be fun, but it's really just a women's race stock GS. The Stockli non-FIS GS ski is a serious ski that can take it down a notch when there are others on the trail with you.

post #3 of 17
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Thanks Whiteroom -- I'm glad to hear about the non-FIS GS, but I was wondering what's so bad about a woman's race stock GS for a guy like me?  I hear a lot of male Masters racers are on women's GS skis... Can't be all bad, right?

post #4 of 17

I didn't mean it would be bad, I meant it's a real-deal race ski. It sounded like maybe something that is more fun in traffic would be better. That's it.

post #5 of 17
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Good point.  I guess I was thinking that the SX at 180 it would be as manageable as the non-FIS GS in a 185 (I've never been on such a short race stock ski, but I found I could ski the Dobermann GSR 186 without too much trouble).  


Are there any other skis I should be looking at (Fischer WC, e.g.)? 

post #6 of 17

Second the notion that the non-FIS GS would work better, although IMO there are other skis that are more versatile for what you say you want, eg, non-racing. If you like the Monster 88, you'd seem like a lock for the iSpeed, or the ISupershape Speed. If liveliness is significant for you (you mention this), Blizzard makes some Power models - the R comes to mind - that have remarkable grip, are very stabile, but retain a lot of snowfeel and liveliness, pop. I think the Nordies are the same ski, basically. 

post #7 of 17
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Thanks Beyond.  


Regarding Head: I like, don't love, the Monsters (too damp, but pretty good in the crud and ungroomed western snow I'm in most often).  I owned the iSupershape in a 175, and loved their construction (and I absolutely dominated a NASTAR course on them one day ;) ), but found their turn radius too short for the long, powerful turns I enjoy making.  They found a great home with a friend of mine who says they're the best skis he's ever been on, and I don't blame him for saying so, just not quite my style....  


I'd love to try the new iSpeed in a 185, but aren't they a system?  I'm really only looking at flat skis (I've just had terrible experiences with binding/ski systems). I would be mounting Tyrolia FreeFlex 20 on whatever front-side ski I buy, would these be compatible with the iSpeeds?  

Edited by AlbuquerqueDan - 5/17/13 at 10:46am
post #8 of 17

My understanding is that the current iSpeed (Rebel) comes with a plate, not clear if you consider that a system. But, doesn't matter, y'know, Head = Tyrolia; Head plates accept all Head and Tyrolia FF's. Just out of curiosity, that's a pretty high DIN, assume you mean the current RD model. Do you actually set it above say 15, which is covered by the standard racing models for Head and Tyrolia (16 and 18 DIN)? 


If the Head Monsters were too damp for you, though, bet you're a Blizzard/Nordica guy and just don't know it. 

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

Beyond -- that's great news about the iSpeed.  I guess I thought they had an integrated binding because everywhere I look on line I see them sold with a FF11 or 14 and just assumed they were built in.  I'll definitely demo some next year.  It has just the right dimensions for me (19m in a 185).  I bet they're awesome and it would obviously be convenient not to have to drill mount my bindings.  


Re: my bindings: They're 2006 FF+20, and the din is too high for how I ski now, but whadda gonna do when you you own them (I actually have two pair which I got in Italy, new, for like $100 each -- a deal I couldn't pass up and now I'm stuck with them).  I set them at 12 and up to 14. They are the best feeling bindings I own, like grisly bear traps when they lock down.  I keep threatening to put them on e-bay, but, obviously, haven't yet (and may never).  


Re: Monsters being damp.  My impressions with the Monsters are that they're unstoppable in crud and corn - they are heavy-duty, plow-through-anything skis - but are much less lively on groomers than carving skis (this is not a complaint, if they acted like carvers, they wouldn't be so great in the side-country).  Not that I've ever driven one, but I bet the Monsters are the Bentley Flying Spur of skis. The iSuperShape I owned, on the other hand, were like a Porsche 911; quick and nimble, but a bit cramped.  I guess right now I'm looking for the ski equivalent of a Aston Martin DB9; stiff and very reactive, with a huge top speed, but also something I can actually use when the crowds show up.  The iSpeeds may fit the bill perfectly... 


PS: I'm sure you're right about me being a Nordica guy; I just loved my GSRs.

post #10 of 17
I recently demoed 2013 FIS and 2014 non-FIS Stockli GS skis, both in 180 cm. I liked them both, but I'm buying the FIS version. It's sturdier, can be pushed harder, and has far better edge hold.

I own a pair of the Head iSpeed in 175 cm. I got them in that length by mistake. Should've gotten 185s. The tight radius/softer flex makes me nervous when going fast. At your weight, definitely try 185s.
post #11 of 17
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nochaser: If you had to choose, Stockli FISGS (180) or Head iSpeed (185)?  Why?



post #12 of 17
I was torn between Stockli laser gs FIS 180s and non-FIS 185s not too long ago until i actually demoed the skis...i chose FIS 180s for better edge hold and stability at speed. Most of all, I loved the firm/planted feel of the laser FIS where i could really trust the skis and push them as hard/fast as i could. I was able to make pretty tight turns too...now that's what I call fun.

For me, the fun of skiing is the process of perfecting my technique by training and racing as hard as I could, burning 2000+ calories a day. LoL
Edited by nochaser - 5/20/13 at 3:31pm
post #13 of 17
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Not that anyone really cares but me, but my front-side ripper quest is over: I just ordered a pair of Kneissl White Star GS (23.5m @ 183).  I haven't heard a lot about this specific ski (and I haven't demoed it), but I can't imagine it's going to let me down...  

post #14 of 17
Nice. Clean and simple. How much do a pair of GS try go for?
post #15 of 17
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The Kneissl guy who posts here periodically had a pair (new) on ebay for $299.  How could I say NO?!?  The listing said MSRP = $1299.  (PS: there's a pair of White Star SL on there for $299 and some other Kneissls, too...)

post #16 of 17
Great looking skis at tempting prices indeed. This old Austrian born company has quite an intriguing history too, surviving through a number of insolvencies and ownership changes. Maybe I will pick up a pair too after some reading and due diligence on their recent lines of skis.
post #17 of 17
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There are a few threads on this site regarding Kneissl's storied (er... troubled, er... disastrous) history.  People who were skiing the recent Kneissl line seemed to really like them, so I'm hoping that the high-up corporate machinations didn't affect the quality of production in the Tirol factory. Fingers crossed I didn't just buy a lemon!

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