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How to remove quiver killer inserts

post #1 of 11
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How do you remover Qk inserts? I was able to back out a few that where close to surface with pliers but the ones that are flush or slightly recessed I am having trouble with. Any and all ideas will be greatly appreciated.
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Originally Posted by wpc122 View Post

How do you remover Qk inserts? I was able to back out a few that where close to surface with pliers but the ones that are flush or slightly recessed I am having trouble with. Any and all ideas will be greatly appreciated.

 

I've never worked with QK inserts but I've worked with and removed similar inserts of different brands in the past (shops use similar things to fix stripped binding screw holes).

 

QK inserts screw into the ski, so if you're willing to destroy the insert itself (but not the ski) then you can use a standard screw extractor like these:

 

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202850653?productId=202850653&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=202850653&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-202850653&ci_gpa=pla#.UYgGnVM0V2U

 

In this case you wouldn't want to drill out the insert, since it's already hollow. Just pick an extractor that has a tip slightly narrower than the interior threading in the insert. The key is that the extractor has reversed threading, so CCW torque "locks" the extractor into the QK insert while simultaneously unscrewing the insert from the ski. As with all ski work try to be progressive and gradual about it.

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Originally Posted by patrickjchase View Post

 

I've never worked with QK inserts but I've worked with and removed similar inserts of different brands in the past (shops use similar things to fix stripped binding screw holes).

 

QK inserts screw into the ski, so if you're willing to destroy the insert itself (but not the ski) then you can use a standard screw extractor like these:

 

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/202850653?productId=202850653&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=202850653&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-202850653&ci_gpa=pla#.UYgGnVM0V2U

 

In this case you wouldn't want to drill out the insert, since it's already hollow. Just pick an extractor that has a tip slightly narrower than the interior threading in the insert. The key is that the extractor has reversed threading, so CCW torque "locks" the extractor into the QK insert while simultaneously unscrewing the insert from the ski. As with all ski work try to be progressive and gradual about it.

 

Lou Dawson recommends heating the insert and surrounding epoxy before using the extractor (he calls it an "easy-out" but it's exactly the same thing as I linked above). Here:

 

http://www.wildsnow.com/3853/quiver-killer-binding-mount-inserts/

 

Read through to the comment section for some advice on how to heat the surrounding epoxy.

post #4 of 11

Use a screw and two nuts. Put nuts on screw, screw screw into insert, run 1st nut down to insert and then tighten 2nd nut to 1st nut. Now back the screw/insert out. If insert is too far below surface to get nut to, you may be able to bottom the screw out in the insert and then keep tightening to break insert free. This assumes you aren't worried about reusing the hole.If that is the case, the extractor would be a better option, but I assume since you're asking, you don't have a set. Also, heat is a good idea before trying any of these methods. Stick a soldering iron in the insert.

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the help I will keep ya posted on the progress... I'm not sure when I'll get to it since I'm a central pa skier and ski season seems an eternity away
post #6 of 11

Why would you want to remove them as it's a pretty big hole that's gonna be left behind?

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
Bought the skis used great price... do not have the bindings inserts are set for... figured I would need to remove them plug the holes and mount my bindings
post #8 of 11

Providing the mounting locations don't clash just leave the inserts in & mount your new bindings. The inserts are stronger than any oversize plug will be.

post #9 of 11

^I have a pair of skis mounted this way. No issues.

post #10 of 11

Could also just add a plate to the skis.

post #11 of 11

Great question WPC122.  

Typically, we advise to leave them in and set up your new binding in a position that won't overlap the existing screws. Depending on the binding, you may be able to re-use the existing placed inserts with new fasteners.  

 

As spyderjon mentions, it's better to leave them in as opposed to extracting and filling with plugs (strength primarily).  The QK's bottom are water tight and rust-proof, so no worries about leaving them open to the elements.  

In the event you want (or need ) to remove the inserts, Lou's page on Wildsnow.com as noted above does a great job explaining how best to do it.  

 

Cheers, 

Tim

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