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Foot Muscle Sore and Heel Lifting, Bootfitting Problem or Technique Problem?

post #1 of 18
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Hello, I am a 6', 200lb skier. Recently I have bought a pair of Fischer Vacuum Ranger 12 and had about 3 days in them. At the shop when I fit them they felt fine. However, 2 problems surfaced. One being the muscles on the outside middle section of my feet hurt (the muscles are not at the top or the bottom surface of my feet, just the side) (not my actual feet, just found a random pic online)

 

 

when I buckle down, especially the buckle 1st and buckle 3rd (not actual pic of my boots either, just random pic for illustration). 

Another thing is that I can lift my heels a bit in the boots. I feel that when that happens the skis are not responsive (so it is probably not normal), and I risk trapping my heel a little higher up than where they should be in the boots and twisting my ankle badly when I hit a bump or stumble over stuff. 

 

Should I go back to the shop for remolding or should I use them for a few more days (and further tightening the Buckle 1st to solve the heel lifting issue? I have to move the teeth location) to see how they break in? Or it is just because I was skiing badly?

post #2 of 18

Laserpower,

 

Tighten the second buckle from the top(ankle buckle) till it makes your ankle hurt (you may need extra leverage to do this)---then back off till it is just comfortable, this will hold your heel into the back of the shell and stop the movement.  You might need to have the boot remolded if this doesn't work, then try again.

 

mike

post #3 of 18

Hey Laserpower,

We sell  the vacuum boots at our store. We have found that after skiing the boots a couple of days the boots loosen up slightly for some. You do not need to remold. Move your upper to buckles to the inside (medially) with the Allen wrench that came with the boot. This will snug the boot up. During the molding process the boot is wrapping around your leg/feet contours. This process can loosen the buckle range. Good luck.

post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot both Mike and Burgman! Also just wondering what maybe the likely cause of the muscle sore that I mentioned before?
post #5 of 18

what have you got going under your foot? stock insole? custom footbed? drop in, trim to size? has the boot board been flattened out?

 

also may not be the muscle, could be pressure on the styloid process from the lateral wall of the boot? or pressure on the styloid process from a bootboard that is not flat on the lateral side?

 

jim

post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post

what have you got going under your foot? stock insole? custom footbed? drop in, trim to size? has the boot board been flattened out?

also may not be the muscle, could be pressure on the styloid process from the lateral wall of the boot? or pressure on the styloid process from a bootboard that is not flat on the lateral side?

jim

Oh sorry I forgot to mention. I have blue superfeet.

It's not really pinching pain tho. Felt like sore muscle from overworking. But for sure when I unbuckle, the soreness goes away. When I buckle down and go for another run, it always comes back at the end of a long run.
post #7 of 18

surprising but no one has asked what size your foot is and what size the boot is?

 

Lou

post #8 of 18
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My feet measure 28.5 and the boots are 28.5 as well.
post #9 of 18

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

read the above info and do a shell check of the boot you have ----my foot measures the same as yours, but I ski in a 27.0 (315mm shell) (You are in a 325mm shell)

by the way there is no difference between a 27.0 shell and liner and a 27.5 (the factory foot pad in a 27.0 marked boot will be thicker than in a 27.5 making them feel tighter) 

 

you might want to see if your dealer will downsize you and your problem will go away.

 

mike

post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

read the above info and do a shell check of the boot you have ----my foot measures the same as yours, but I ski in a 27.0 (315mm shell) (You are in a 325mm shell)
by the way there is no difference between a 27.0 shell and liner and a 27.5 (the factory foot pad in a 27.0 marked boot will be thicker than in a 27.5 making them feel tighter) 

you might want to see if your dealer will downsize you and your problem will go away.

mike

Thanks Mike. I'll try that but I doubt tho since i think the Fischer's shell length is shorter than other brands' with the same sole length. (I tried a pair of Head 28.5 and those are noticeably longer) My toes are already feeling the tips of the boots in a 28.5...i have about 2 fingers when doing the shell fit.
post #11 of 18

2 fingers could be an inch (depends on finger diameter), which is a loose fit------"ok" if you just want to cruse light blues, but too loose for really great control.

 

The 315mm shell should fit you fine, especially when the shell is molded, your toes will be fine.

 

I think the Fischer 28.0 shell is 325mm----other fitters chime in in I am wrong.

 

mike

post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

2 fingers could be an inch (depends on finger diameter), which is a loose fit
"ok" if you just want to cruse light blues, but too loose for really great control.

The 315mm shell should fit you fine, especially when the shell is molded, your toes will be fine.

I think the Fischer 28.0 shell is 325mm----other fitters chime in in I am wrong.

mike

Close enough~the Ranger 28.5 is 323.

Actually I have fixed the heel lifting issue today. It seems that I did not tighten the buckles enough. Curiously enough for me is that I always thought that if a buckle is too tough to buckle down, it means that I'm over tightening the boots. But today when I spent a hell lot of effort tightening all of them down, I did not feel uncomfortable and the boots are a lot more responsive. Does that mean that I'm in a bigger shell that I should be, or that's just how they are? If that's just how they are, I wonder why don't they design the buckles to have longer handles to crank them down...

About trying a smaller size, am I still allowed to switch when I remolded twice and had a few days in those (I think according to Fischer, the boots should not be remolded more than 5 times)? I guess that really depends on my bootfitter so I will talk to him about this. But just curious what you guys will offer to your customer?
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by LaserPower View Post


Close enough~the Ranger 28.5 is 323.

Actually I have fixed the heel lifting issue today. It seems that I did not tighten the buckles enough. Curiously enough for me is that I always thought that if a buckle is too tough to buckle down, it means that I'm over tightening the boots. "But today when I spent a hell lot of effort tightening all of them down, I did not feel uncomfortable and the boots are a lot more responsive. Does that mean that I'm in a bigger shell that I should be, or that's just how they are? If that's just how they are, I wonder why don't they design the buckles to have longer handles to crank them down..."

About trying a smaller size, am I still allowed to switch when I remolded twice and had a few days in those (I think according to Fischer, the boots should not be remolded more than 5 times)? I guess that really depends on my bootfitter so I will talk to him about this. But just curious what you guys will offer to your customer?

In the highlighted section you describe the effects/results of too big a boot, you have to over tighten it to hold your foot!  This will probably put your foot to sleep (numb) not good for control.

also, over tightening distorts the shell and affects the way the boot can flex as you load it. How can I say this any better!?

 

mike

post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

In the highlighted section you describe the effects/results of too big a boot, you have to over tighten it to hold your foot!  This will probably put your foot to sleep (numb) not good for control.

also, over tightening distorts the shell and affects the way the boot can flex as you load it. How can I say this any better!?

 

mike

Got it Mike. I'll see if I can get into a smaller one. Would switch to a thicker liner achieve a similar result? I was thinking about a thick Intuition Dreamliner~

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by LaserPower View Post

Got it Mike. I'll see if I can get into a smaller one. "Would switch to a thicker liner achieve a similar result? I was thinking about a thick Intuition Dreamliner"~

 

Dreaming!

 

Plus--- be sure to take thin socks when you try on the smaller size (warmth is connected to good circulation) a thick sock will compress your capilaries----don't decide it's too small, till it has been molded.

 

mike

post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

Dreaming!

Plus--- be sure to take thin socks when you try on the smaller size (warmth is connected to good circulation) a thick sock will compress your capilaries----don't decide it's too small, till it has been molded.

mike

Well~ok...
In that case I'll talk to my bootfitter first then~
Thanks mike!
post #17 of 18

As far as returning boots go you are allowed to do whatever you want.  I can only speak for my shop but if I sell the wrong size then I replace it.  If a smaller shell is comfortable and solves your problem then they sold you to large a boot.  Two fingers for most adults is definitely to big and you should talk about space in inches or centimeters instead of fingers since fingers are really meaningless.  There is more to correct sizing than length there is alos volume.  Length is meaningless if you have a low instep and they sold you a high instep model.

 

Sole length is irrelevant.  It is simply part of design.  The size for the most part is the size inside and generally is about the same in all companies even though the sole length may vary by nearly one centimeter.

 

Lou

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post

As far as returning boots go you are allowed to do whatever you want.  I can only speak for my shop but if I sell the wrong size then I replace it.  If a smaller shell is comfortable and solves your problem then they sold you to large a boot.  Two fingers for most adults is definitely to big and you should talk about space in inches or centimeters instead of fingers since fingers are really meaningless.  There is more to correct sizing than length there is alos volume.  Length is meaningless if you have a low instep and they sold you a high instep model.

 

Sole length is irrelevant.  It is simply part of design.  The size for the most part is the size inside and generally is about the same in all companies even though the sole length may vary by nearly one centimeter.

 

Lou

Thanks Lou! I'll visit my bootfitter again next week to get this sorted out~

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