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K2 Axis XP vs Volkl 724 Pro

post #1 of 12
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I recently demoed the Volkl 724 Pro and had a lot of fun. It was suprising quick for it's increased width. Becuase of its width I was able to ski a shorter ski (177) and do suprisingly well when I brought it up to speed. I am seriously considering picking up a pair with the low spring sales going on, but I noticed that the 724 dimensions are real close to the K2 Axis XP's. It appears to me that these skis are very similiar. Can anyone give me an opinion by comparing the two? If I get a good deal on the K2's what's the difference?
post #2 of 12
Pat i have never skied the 724 pro. However I have demoed the The Axis XP. I was vary impressed with the XP. In a 174 it had a nice even flex It's a stiff ski but not too stiff. The Mod system on them really smooths out the ride withot giving up a good feel for the snow. The tip engages with a nice solid feel. and they inspire confidents on fast steep runs.Just roll them on edge and let them run. for a wide ski they are better in bumps then my 177 Atomic Rex. They have a nice feel for crud they are like a hot buttered knife in heavy mash potato conditions. In the same conditons the the Rex is more like an Ax. They both are great when the going gets tough. It's just a matter of style. The rex is more brut force the K2 is more nimble. Hope this helps you some. I have been hearing a lot of great things about the new head 75 you may also want to look into them.
post #3 of 12
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Originally posted by Utah49:
Pat i have never skied the 724 pro. However I have demoed the The Axis XP. I was vary impressed with the XP. In a 174 it had a nice even flex It's a stiff ski but not too stiff. The Mod system on them really smooths out the ride withot giving up a good feel for the snow. The tip engages with a nice solid feel. and they inspire confidents on fast steep runs.Just roll them on edge and let them run. for a wide ski they are better in bumps then my 177 Atomic Rex. They have a nice feel for crud they are like a hot buttered knife in heavy mash potato conditions. In the same conditons the the Rex is more like an Ax. They both are great when the going gets tough. It's just a matter of style. The rex is more brut force the K2 is more nimble. Hope this helps you some. I have been hearing a lot of great things about the new head 75 you may also want to look into them.
post #4 of 12
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Originally posted by Pat Hamilton:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Utah49:
Pat i have never skied the 724 pro. However I have demoed the The Axis XP. I was vary impressed with the XP. In a 174 it had a nice even flex It's a stiff ski but not too stiff. The Mod system on them really smooths out the ride withot giving up a good feel for the snow. The tip engages with a nice solid feel. and they inspire confidents on fast steep runs.Just roll them on edge and let them run. for a wide ski they are better in bumps then my 177 Atomic Rex. They have a nice feel for crud they are like a hot buttered knife in heavy mash potato conditions. In the same conditons the the Rex is more like an Ax. They both are great when the going gets tough. It's just a matter of style. The rex is more brut force the K2 is more nimble. Hope this helps you some. I have been hearing a lot of great things about the new head 75 you may also want to look into them.
</font>[/quote]Thanks for your input. I skied the K2 Axis XP in 181 this weekend in Sun Valley. I liked the demo ski so much that I bought it. The XP seems a little lighter and quicker than the 724. I was not able to ski much crud with the XP, but I don't think it should have much trouble given its width. The XP was suprisingly quick and nimble. It appears to me that the 724 may get the nod if you ski more in the crud than on the groomed, but the XP should get the nod if you ski more groomed than crud and you enjoy speed a bit more. The XP holds down suprisingly well on the hard pack.

[ April 07, 2003, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: Pat Hamilton ]
post #5 of 12
I just demoed the Axis XP and thought it totally sucked. I was on the 181, which was the only length available (I should have been on the 174 probably) but the ski was adequate off piste, but heavy in the crud and not solid on the groomers at speed. Especially on the groomers, the ski just felt soft, damp, and wimpy. I had just been on a Fischer Big Stix 75 in 175cm, so that was the ski I was comparing it to, but there really was no comparison. The Fischer skied lighter, carved better, was way more stable, both on groomers and crud, and floated just as well. I also had a chance to demo next year's Fischer FX 7.6 in 175 (the BigStix 75 replacement) and that is a great ski! Anyways, maybe the XP would have been a better ski in a shorter length, but I definitely preferred the Fischers. (I work at a shop that sells both K2 and Fischer, and most of our demoing customers this season have been happier with the Big Stix 75 over the XP as well, so there could be something to it).
post #6 of 12
dawgcatching 2 sheets of titanium in the axis xp= soft damp & wimpy, I can understand damp, heavy, but soft & wimpy ? how stiff is the bigstix 75, I demoed the xp in 181 & 174 both were super stable & stupid fast, carved great on the groomers, not to say the bigstix isn't a great ski I've never skied it.
just my .02
bteddy
post #7 of 12
I don't know, maybe "wimpy" isn't the right term, but this ski just felt like it was lacking power. Not wimpy in the sense that it was soft in flex, but it sure didn't feel overly solid at speed on the groomed-it was passable and held okay, but not really putting a smile on my face like the Fischers. The Fischers were also more solid in crud-I was making super-g sized turns on the groomers and felt much smoother than on the K2's, which were a little less predictable. I was on shop demos, a guy had come back the night before on the same exact XP pair and said the same thing. No rebound, kind of felt like a limp noodle on the groomers (didn't track well on run-outs either). Perhaps "overly damp" is the better term. The Fischer might acutally be a softer ski with regards to longitudinal flex, but it feels more powerful and smooth, with no loss of float. Again, the XP was probably too long for me (181cm at 155lbs is alot of length) but I did find myself wishing I could go back to the car and swap skis after a few runs. I do know a guy who loves the XP in a 167 (he is my size) so maybe it would make a difference. I will say that we have had many customers coming back on our demo Big Stix 75's and raving about them, but haven't heard the same from the guys on the XP demo's this year. After how good the old Axis X Pro was, I was dissapointed with the XP. (Plus I was told at the spring demo show that K2 revamped the internals of the XP for next season due to complaints about the dampness of the ski, whether there is any truth to it I do not know)
post #8 of 12
Dawgcatching,
You are one of the few people that I've run across that has had some experience with the Fischer Big Stix 75. I have a chance to pick up a pair at a good price, but have never skied them. I'm looking for a midfat to compliment my everyday slalom skis for spring crud skiing and occasional trips out west (ski mainly in the east). I'm 205 lbs. and ski 40+ days a year. For someone of my weight would you think the 175 would be okay, or would the 185 be a better choice? If I skied the West all the time, I'd probably go with the 185, but skiing mostly in the East with the narrower, icy trails, moguls, and rarely any deep snow, I wonder if I might be better off with the 175 (probably a 180 would be ideal, but that's not an option). I also have the chance to pick up a pair of the K2 XP's at a good price, and I know all the ski mags raved about them, but I've skied the previous Axis models in the past, and one of the major complaints that I've heard about them is that they are not very lively, which is also my impression of the ones I skied. Plus, I'm not crazy about the made in China thing, either, I'm having a hard time getting by that, although I haven't heard of any quality issues with the K2's that are made there. Being a shop guy, you probably get a lot of feedback in this regard. Any information or opinions you can give me would be appreciated.
post #9 of 12
I've found the same thing that most of you have been saying. The XP likes to be on edge, real predictable and smooth. However, it lacks real power and rebound. I think someone said it best when referring to them as "too damp". The MOD core definitely reduces vibration and makes the ski feel silky, but it doesn't have the push that Volkl's are so well known for. I think you could look at the difference between the two skis this way-- If you sit back on the Volkl it will take you for a ride. A person should be knees over toes all the time or the tails will take control. On the other hand, the XP is not strong enough to take total control. I would feel comfortable placing anyone on the XP, while only experienced skiers should ride the 724 Pro.
post #10 of 12
I have skied both the 724 Pro, and the Axis XP. These skis are very similar. I have skied both in a couple lengths, and that made huge differneces in performance. The shortest 734 Pro Volkl had made last Feb was 177 (I think). That was definatly a little big for me, and it was good as a damp cruiser and crudbuster, but lacked much life. That is pretty much the same way I felt about the 174 XP. The 167 XP is a great little ski for me. It's quick and energetic, but still solid and powerfull. Both the XP and the Pro ski like chubby carve skis, rather than shaped fat skis (like the PR), so they ski great short. Most people bought the XP too long (the 174 is usually plenty), and I bet the same thing will happen with the Pro. No wonder they feel too damp!Anyhow, I don't think there is much difference in performance here, maybe "feel", but both skis are going to be awsome all mountain skis for any good skier who can arc it off piste. It is unfortunate that the XP does not come in a 160, but Volk claims to be making a 156. I will belive it when we get a pair; the shortest we have recieved is still 177.
post #11 of 12
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Originally posted by Pat Hamilton:
I recently demoed the Volkl 724 Pro and had a lot of fun. It was suprising quick for it's increased width. Becuase of its width I was able to ski a shorter ski (177) and do suprisingly well when I brought it up to speed. I am seriously considering picking up a pair with the low spring sales going on, but I noticed that the 724 dimensions are real close to the K2 Axis XP's. It appears to me that these skis are very similiar. Can anyone give me an opinion by comparing the two? If I get a good deal on the K2's what's the difference?
The XP is going to be overly damp, unless you go really short. The Volkl will be much more lively, even in longer lengths. Try the Volkl G4 also, even though it gives more area underfoot, you'll be surprised by how quick it is. It is a veery stable and capable ski. Wide is GOOD .
post #12 of 12
I've skied bothe the 724 Pro and Axis XP on the same day with mixed conditions - up to 12" of pow, patches of ice and ample crud available. I'd say difference between them could be summed up in one word -energy. The 724 Pro has more snap and rebound at turn completion (energy) than the XP. At the same time the 724 Pro demands more effort and precision (energy) from the pilot than does the XP. Other than that I'd say they are roughly similar skis.

They both have very good edge grip - with the nod going to the 724 Pro due to feel. They are both very stable at speed with the 724 Pro having a lively feel and the XP having a damp feel at speed. I like both in the bumps but the XP is easier to ski through the bumps since it is less energetic.

Since I prefer a precise, energetic feel from a ski I prefer the Volkl to the K2 but I highly recommend both of them.

Aar
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