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Usually there aren't massive moguls around but the mountain does hire "professionals" to carve them out here from time to time. And you will be surprised to see the kind of bumps available at times.

I remember the hand made ones! Had to have the bump wear to go with them! smile.gif
post #32 of 39

I've skied the FA84 & the MX88 and own MX78's so I'll throw my $.02 in.

 

The tight trees will remain scary on any of the above.  Maybe I'm just a puss, but I find that I sometimes grip-up on larger radius skis whose tails like to hold when I'm in tight trees or chutes.   I've not skied the S7 but I would think it would be similar to my go-to tree ski, the 112RP. 

 

The Kastles are really fun in "couple days after a storm" conditions with crud/cut up snow if you let them rip a bit.  I only skied the FA84 for a couple runs on softish groomers but they are fun.  A little different in feel from the Kastles.

 

If you are looking for hard snow ski for those stretches of skiing man-made and hard groomers, I've been most happy on a SL ski the last couple years.  They hold the icy stuff a lot better than any rec skis I've tried and are actually pretty versatile if you don't plan on any relaxing.  Ski them a lot and you'll lose more than 10lbs during the season, they work you.   If you want a crud-buster (12" or less soft stuff) that is good at fast GS turns on softer groomers the Kastle is a good bet. 

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I've skied the FA84 & the MX88 and own MX78's so I'll throw my $.02 in.

 

The tight trees will remain scary on any of the above.  Maybe I'm just a puss, but I find that I sometimes grip-up on larger radius skis whose tails like to hold when I'm in tight trees or chutes.   I've not skied the S7 but I would think it would be similar to my go-to tree ski, the 112RP. 

 

The Kastles are really fun in "couple days after a storm" conditions with crud/cut up snow if you let them rip a bit.  I only skied the FA84 for a couple runs on softish groomers but they are fun.  A little different in feel from the Kastles.

 

If you are looking for hard snow ski for those stretches of skiing man-made and hard groomers, I've been most happy on a SL ski the last couple years.  They hold the icy stuff a lot better than any rec skis I've tried and are actually pretty versatile if you don't plan on any relaxing.  Ski them a lot and you'll lose more than 10lbs during the season, they work you.   If you want a crud-buster (12" or less soft stuff) that is good at fast GS turns on softer groomers the Kastle is a good bet. 

Thanks for your advice.

post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by nwjg View Post
 

I've skied the FA84 & the MX88 and own MX78's so I'll throw my $.02 in.

 

The tight trees will remain scary on any of the above.  Maybe I'm just a puss, but I find that I sometimes grip-up on larger radius skis whose tails like to hold when I'm in tight trees or chutes.   I've not skied the S7 but I would think it would be similar to my go-to tree ski, the 112RP. 

 

The Kastles are really fun in "couple days after a storm" conditions with crud/cut up snow if you let them rip a bit.  I only skied the FA84 for a couple runs on softish groomers but they are fun.  A little different in feel from the Kastles.

 

If you are looking for hard snow ski for those stretches of skiing man-made and hard groomers, I've been most happy on a SL ski the last couple years.  They hold the icy stuff a lot better than any rec skis I've tried and are actually pretty versatile if you don't plan on any relaxing.  Ski them a lot and you'll lose more than 10lbs during the season, they work you.   If you want a crud-buster (12" or less soft stuff) that is good at fast GS turns on softer groomers the Kastle is a good bet. 

nwjg, could you please tell us your height/wt., and in what sizes you skied those three (FA84, MX88, MX78)?  Thanks!

post #35 of 39
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nwjg, could you please tell us your height/wt., and in what sizes you skied those three (FA84, MX88, MX78)?  Thanks!

 

I am 5'10", 165-170lbs. 

 

I demoed the FA84 in 176 for two runs.

 

I demoed the MX88 in 178 for a morning with about 8" of new.  Switched to my 180 Bonafide's at lunch and found them more suited (fun) for hunting turns in the powder around brush and trees, the Kastles were about going very fast on crud over groomed, you really notice the rubber sheet.   I skied my wife's 158s at PCMR on a firmish day and they were a lot of fun. I was expecting to try them for a run and ended up ripping around on them all day.  I wouldn't want to own them in 158 but it made me wonder about the 168s.

 

I own the MX78 in 178 with the KTI plate.  It is a powerful ski.

post #36 of 39

Thanks nwjg, appreciate the info. I'm 5'7", 148# (or at least will be this winter), and  just picked up a pair of used 168 cm 2013 MX88s.  Was wondering about the 158's, but decided that would be short.

post #37 of 39

i've recently fell in love with two completely diff styles of skis. the volkl v werks rtm and the volkl mantra. the v werks for its silky smoothness, solid edge, and energy. the mantra for its insane stability, edge hold, and bust thru everything and keep truckin at insane speeds personality. so ideally i would like the love child of these two skis. would the fa 84 edt or mx 88 be that love child? i dont have the option to demo either of these... or should i search elsewhere.  i have demod rtm 81, head rev pro, kendo, brahma, and atomic crimson ti recently and none of those really fit the bill. 

post #38 of 39

The FA 84 EDT is an incredible ski; no speed limit, incredible edge grip, turns on a dime, very good in crud and even in the trees.  But, I will not say it's what you're looking for.  It is not a cheap ski so before you commit to buying them, you really must demo them.  It is a ski that demands your attention all the time and it will punish you for inattention.

post #39 of 39
Appreciate the input! I'm goin have to look far and wide for a pair of these to demo. I'm also wondering if the vwerks in a 181 would close that gap. All I had to demo was the 176. I'm 5'11 190.. Not sure if it would make much diff or not other than a little more stability.
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