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Looking for some all-mountain twintips

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I'm thinking about expanding my quiver of one for next year.

 

I skied my pair of the 2012 Blizzard Cochise 185 all 30 days at Mt. Baker this year.  I'm 6' and 150 pounds, and feel reasonably comfortable labeling myself as an advanced skier.  I absolutely love the ski, and have been consistently impressed at its performance in all of the funky snow conditions Baker has thrown at me, and I've moved from getting my scrawny self pushed around and lacerated (I actually fell, lost a ski, and slid over it, somehow cutting through my glove and into my hand, requiring 23 stitches) by the ungodly-sharp factory edge into something that I feel vaguely approximates actually letting the ski work its magic.

 

However, I have identified a few areas where I feel that a second ski could be a bunch of fun.  I want it to be the most functional in the few areas where I think the Cochise could be improved upon - moguls, trees without much fresh snow, spin tricks, and groomers.  This seems to me like a twintip ski, probably somewhere between 85 and 95 underfoot, and probably
between 175 and 180 in length would answer what I want the best. 

 

I am looking for something that will allow me to learn some tricks, as I haven't felt comfortable trying to learn 180s on my Cochise as they are pretty heavy and only have tail rocker.  Additionally, I enjoy the Cochise on moguls, trees and groomers but I would like a narrower ski with some better performance because of that in those conditions.  I don't need it to have the lack of a speed limit in all conditions that the Cochise does or the raw carving ability of a slalom ski, but if it can arc some nice snappy carves on the groomed, and be faster to turn in the trees and moguls, I'll be quite happy.

 

However, I don't exactly have much of a budget for these skis as I'm a relatively poor college student.  I was looking at some 2013 Dynastar 6th Sense Distorters in a 179 which seem to fit what I need pretty well for $250 new.  If anyone has any other ski recommendations or commentary on the Distorters, that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

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Nordica soul rider as well if you can find some that'll fit your pocket book.
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Duke,

 

First and foremost, I've just gotta say that it sounds like the Blizzard Peacemaker, a ski that's coming out next year, would be pretty ideal for you. It is slightly wider than what you're looking for (104mm I believe), but it's the kind of twin tip that can do everything from groomers, to trees, to the park. I had a chance to demo this ski this Spring and was pretty blown away by its performance. Of course, it is a new ski for next year, so you'll have to wait a few months to buy it, and you'll have to start saving now.

 

As for cheap skis that you can buy right now, there are some options out there. I think it's important to mention though, that twin tip skis that sell for around $250.00 are typically pretty soft skis. As a result, you may not like them nearly as much as your Cochise for high-speed all mountain riding. That said, we do have a couple of skis that would work for you over at Skiessentials.com. I'll do my best to break a couple of options down for you.

 

2011 K2 Revival- These skis are 90mm in the waist, and feature 0 Camber, and Rocker in the tip and tails. They also have bi-directional taper, making for simple switch skiing. The flex is on the soft side, but definitely not as soft as some price point park skis. The ideal use for these skis is definitely in the park, but they could also handle other areas. Currently, we have these in a 179cm length, for $239.20 after the discount.

 

2011 Volkl Ledge- These skis would be a solid choice for a price point twin tip that can ski the whole mountain. They're a solid construction, and definitely a bit stiffer than the Revivals. The big trade off with these skis, as that they are full traditional camber. While it's far from the end of the world, you should definitely consider the fact that these skis have 0 tip or tail rocker, so you won't get that same quick turn initiation that you do from a ski with rocker. The good news though, is that we have them in a 176 cm length, and they come down to $239.20 after the discount.

 

Now, I'm going to throw a third ski at you that's a bit above your price point, but by far the best choice for your skiing style of the three.

 

2013 Atomic Theory- These skis are 95mm in the waist, and feature a rocker/camber/rocker profile. In my personal opinion (as a skier who is about 50% Park / 50% All Mountain Freeride), this camber profile is by far the most fun. You get the benefits of tip and tail rocker in the park (avoid tip/tail catches, easy buttering, better presses), but also maintain the all mountain performance of a cambered ski. Since you're on the Cochise as an every day ski right now, I'm assuming you're the type of skier who likes to charge. If that's the case, then you definitely need a ski with camber to help push your edges in on carves. As for the construction, these skis feature Atomic's Stepdown Sidewall, and full wood core with a carbon backbone. That's going to make these skis the most stable of the three choices listed, and give you the best all mountain performance. As for price, we currently have them on sale for $327.20 after the discount.

 

So in summary, you definitely have choices. I think what you're really going to end up weighing out here, is whether you want to a cheap twin tip to get you started in the park, or if you want an all mountain ski that also has a twin tip, allowing you to head into the park. It's a fine difference, but definitely one worth considering. In my opinion, I'd steer you towards either the Atomic Theory, or holding off until next season for the Blizzard Peacemaker (seriously, these skis are that good). No matter what you end up doing though, I'm sure you'll have a blast just learning how to ski switch as fast as you ski forwards!

 

Hope you found this helpful, feel free to message me with any questions you might have!

Matt @ Skiessentials.com

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I hate to do a double post like this, but I actually just noticed that we have one 2012 K2 Sight in a 179cm in our warehouse. It's not listed on our site as being in stock, so I didn't mention it in the first post. This ski would be another good choice, and I'd put it in second place behind the Atomic Theory. This ski is slightly slimmer at 85mm in the waist. The big upside to it though, is that it has camber underfoot, and tip rocker. That's going to give you a pretty playful ski, that can also grip groomers, no sweat. This ski is also within your price range, as it comes out to $199.20 after our sale discount. As it's not listed live, shoot me a personal message if you're interested in buying this ski. I'm going to go ahead and not add it into our inventory quite yet, allowing you to get the first jump at it if you want. 

 

-Matt @ Skiessentials.com

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I'm in the same position as you.  I love my Cochise, but also want something that is a twin tip and a bit more light and playful, especially when it hasn't snowed in a few days.  4FRNT Cody is high up on my list of possible options, as are the ON3P Jeronimo, Moment Tahoe or PB&J.

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Thread Starter 
Markojp, I hadn't thought about the soul riders, I'll keep an eye out for a cheap pair.
Matt, thanks for your help. I'll definitely consider the K2 Sight at that price. I'm going to check out some reviews of the Theory and think about that as well. I want the ski to be an all-mountain twintip, something that will be better than the Cochise for moguls, trees and groomers and allow me to learn some tricks on random features as Mt. Baker doesn't even have a park. Any nice cheap bindings laying around? wink.gif
JayT, I'll have to look at those, I was kind of thinking about the Tahoe myself.
Edited by Duke2320 - 4/24/13 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by Duke2320 View Post

Markojp, I hadn't thought about the soul riders, I'll keep an eye out for a cheap pair.
Matt, thanks for your help. I'll definitely consider the K2 Sight at that price. I'm going to check out some reviews of the Theory and think about that as well. I want the ski to be an all-mountain twintip, something that will be better than the Cochise for moguls, trees and groomers and allow me to learn some tricks on random features as Mt. Baker doesn't even have a park. Any nice cheap bindings laying around? wink.gif
JayT, I'll have to look at those, I was kind of thinking about the Tahoe myself.

 

Quite honestly, there are a ton of twin tip All Mountain skis out now. From the large traditional brands to the small independent companies- just about everyone seems to be making quality stuff these days. I think your biggest challenge might be finding a pair at the price point you want. If you're friendly with your local ski shop employees, you might be able to ask some of them if they're selling their skis from this season. A lot of us take advantage of deals through reps and have a fresh pair every year. There's a chance you could score a pair of great skis that've been used for one season, at a good price.

 

As for bindings, we do have a couple of pairs on sale right now that are about as cheap as you'll ever find them.

 

Rossignol Axial2 120- Solid binding, vertical heal, durable. These are the same bindings as the Look PX series, which I personally used up until this year (sprung for the Pivots). I've liked them because I haven't had to worry about pre-releases, and they take quite the beating before finally calling it quits. The only downside to these bindings, is that they are a little heavy. I personally didn't notice, but if weight is a concern, then definitely take that into consideration. Currently, they're on sale for $159.96 (After discount, through next Monday).

 

Marker Griffon- Probably one of the most popular bindings, across the board. The Griffon is simple, hassle free binding. One of the big selling points for this binding, is that it has the widest footprint out of any binding, helping you get power to the edges of your skis.* As far as weight goes, the Griffon's are about average, if not slightly lighter than average. The one qualm I personally have with these bindings, is that I've pre-released from the toe piece a few times. After talking with co-workers and other skiers though, it seems like I'm the odd man out as far as that goes. With the current sale, you can pick these up for $183.20 (After discount, through next Monday).

 

Hope this helps!

Matt @ Skiessentials.com

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