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Help me pick new slalom ski's

post #1 of 26
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Last season my Head Cyber X80's got stolen. Luckely i have good insurance. I rented slalom skis for the rest of the season because I thought they were more fun than regular carvers. And they got me, I just love to ski them.

I tried 3 different skis last season:

Head Worldcup slalom 2002 (170cm) - this really is a great ski, could only use it for one day though but this ski can do everything.

Atomic 9.11 - not really a slalom ski I think, more a fun carver. Skied them in 160cm (I am 185cm tall). Loads of fun on and off the groomed.

Atomic 9.16 (160cm) - I had to practise for an hour before I could really ski this ski well. I wasn't to impressed of their performance in deep (up to 50cm) snow but they were great on the groomed and even ok in bumbs.

So, what am I looking for: a ski somewhat like last seasons Head Wordcup Slalom. A slalom ski that can do anything except perform in really deep snow. I'm currently considering the Atomic 9.12 (160cm) or the Atomic 11.12 (164cm). Does anyone has an opinion on these skies? Anyone has other suggestions?

[ December 16, 2002, 07:14 AM: Message edited by: Ezz ]
post #2 of 26
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So, what am I looking for: a ski somewhat like last seasons Head Wordcup Slalom. QB]
I ski last years Head WC at 170. Recently I had a short tryout of a friend's Salomon 3V. It skied very similarly on the groomed. I don't know about the performance in other conditions but worth a try.
post #3 of 26
I recently skied the Atomic SL 11 and man, those things were sweet! It's definently a full bore slalom ski but who wouldn't consider this for every day. I'm most certainly biasse to this ski, I loved it.
post #4 of 26
Why not get a pair of 2002 Head worldcup slaloms? There are still some of those skis in the stores. You could probably get them for half price.
post #5 of 26
Stockli SL's or Spirti Pro ...
post #6 of 26
If you were racing, id say try Elan, they rock. But since you arent racing there is no need for Elan, or Fischer race stock. that also rules out the stockli sl probably, but not the spirit pro. Not to mention, my Elans pretty much blow on anything less than ice more solid than you usually find on ice skating rinks (although i do free ski them here in western NY). Now we are down to the Salomon 3V or the Head WC SL. I would buy whichever one has the widest tip and tail/most sidecut/smallest turning radius. Another ski you might want to try is the Fischer RC4 WorldCup SC. Thats the one with the dimensions of 122-66-102. It looks like a pretty sick ski for free skiing. Its probly not the best in bumps because of the tip size, but it will be softer and easier to ski than the race stock Fischer SC - i hear its a pretty scary ski. It comes with a nice looking plate on it too. You might want to give them a whirl. Both the Race stock RC4 and the RC4 WC SC are on my "to ski list."
Later
GREG

ps. Last season i raced on the Salomon Equipe 10 3V and found it was a great free ski, but not terribly quick for gates. The reason i steered you towards more sidecut is beacuse it makes the ski easier to ski on. you will get an absolute thrill out of the ski that makes the tightest turns. I dont know the dimensions on the Head WC SL so i cant recommend one over the other, i also have not skied the Head ski. Enjoy!!
post #7 of 26
I skied on Salomon 3V's in 168 last year and they're the best all-mountain ski I've evr skied. They're really easy, grip well, and have a nice radius. Head SL's should be good too. They're a bit more sluggish than the 3V's, and have less acceleration, but they turn smaller and grip better. Either would be good. Just don't get a course-oriented ski (Rossi WC 9S, Elan SLX, Atomic 11.12, Dynastar Omeglass, etc...) cause they're no good in anything but ice. You wanna look for a slalom ski geared more toward freeskiing.
post #8 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by ktrubin:
I recently skied the Atomic SL 11 and man, those things were sweet! It's definently a full bore slalom ski but who wouldn't consider this for every day. I'm most certainly biasse to this ski, I loved it.
How do they perform of the groomed?
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by NordtheBarbarian:
Why not get a pair of 2002 Head worldcup slaloms? There are still some of those skis in the stores. You could probably get them for half price.
Good suggestion. After I posted I was thinking this myself. I certainly will try this but I would still like to hear some opinions on this year skis.

What would be the good length for Head WC SL for me (185cm & 80kg)?
post #10 of 26
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Originally posted by yuki:
Stockli SL's or Spirti Pro ...
SLR's I love my SLR's
post #11 of 26
SC- I just love my Stöckli SCs
post #12 of 26
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Originally posted by Ezz:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by D(C):
I skied on Salomon 3V's in 168 last year and they're the best all-mountain ski I've evr skied. They're really easy, grip well, and have a nice radius.
Quite a few people mentioned the 3V's now, I really have to take a look at that ski. Did you ski it off the groomed?</font>[/quote]Not excessively. But they would be pretty good for it, I think. I did ski a bit of bumps on them, and they seems pretty forgiving and didn't throw me around. Also, when conditions got sort of "clumpy", they didn't throw me around as much as my new slalom skis (stock Rossi 9S). They're pretty versatile. One thing though, I had the 2000-2001 model. But I've heard the new one is the same just better. But I'd ski that ski again if I weren't racing.
post #13 of 26
If youre intent on trying the salomon 3V, i would try it in a 160 and a 168. Since youre free skiing on them you wont need the short 155, but you still dont want to have a si that is over 170cm. It doesnt turn as tight as most other slalom skis on the market, but it still turns pretty nicely. I skied that ski all over the hill last year and it really is a nice free ski. I wish that salomon would build their free ride skis like they built the 3V. It has a lot of pop (not compared to other sl's though), a good amount of side cut, and a 13m turning radius at the 160cm length. My younger brother is free skiing on the 160's this year and he is 170cm tall and 60kg. So you are a little bit bigger, but i would think that the 160 would still be enough ski for you. It seems to have a large performance envelope.
Good luck picking out a ski!!
Later
GREG
post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
Now we are down to the Salomon 3V or the Head WC SL. I would buy whichever one has the widest tip and tail/most sidecut/smallest turning radius.
The Salomon has a sidecut of 105/64/94 and I think the Head WC SL has a simular sidecut (I think it's about 109/64/98 but I don't have the exact numbers here).

The Salomon 3V sounds very interesting. I'll have to look into that one.

Quote:

Another ski you might want to try is the Fischer RC4 WorldCup SC. Thats the one with the dimensions of 122-66-102. It looks like a pretty sick ski for free skiing.


This will probably be great fun to ski on but I'm not to sure if it's nice to ski for a whole day?

Thanks for your reply.

edit: cosmetical.

[ December 17, 2002, 12:04 AM: Message edited by: Ezz ]
post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by D(C):
I skied on Salomon 3V's in 168 last year and they're the best all-mountain ski I've evr skied. They're really easy, grip well, and have a nice radius.
Quite a few people mentioned the 3V's now, I really have to take a look at that ski. Did you ski it off the groomed?
post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:

170cm tall and 60kg. So you are a little bit bigger, but i would think that the 160 would still be enough ski for you. It seems to have a large performance envelope.
Good luck picking out a ski!!
Thanks for the info. My guess is that the 168cm will fit my need the best. 160cm might be to short for the bumps with my length. I'm not sure that I will be in a position to try them before I buy them, not many mountains here in The Netherlands I'm afraid.

Thank again for the info!
post #17 of 26
I converted to metric for you, to save hassle, I have a neat program on my computer that helps me with my engineering homework. If you feel more comfortable with the 168 then go with that. I skied my 3V's in the bumps last year and they we a pretty nice ride. You wont be disappointed with either size. If youre concerned about avilability, try online stores, as well as Ebay (unless warranty is an issue). They are typically much cheaper online and on ebay than in ski shops, unless you are using proform or shopform. I really hope you enjoy them. Give a us a report back with your impressions on the ski after youve had them out a few times.
Enjoy
Later
GREG

Oh, and one more thing, invest the extra $$ in the poweraxe sl plate if you are going to be skiing a lot of groomed snow with them. They add a very smooth ride to the ski.
post #18 of 26
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Originally posted by Ezz:

So, what am I looking for: a ski somewhat like last seasons Head Wordcup Slalom. A slalom ski that can do anything except perform in really deep snow. I'm currently considering the Atomic 9.12 (160cm) or the Atomic 11.12 (164cm). Does anyone has an opinion on these skies? Anyone has other suggestions?
I demoed this year's 9.12 and 11.12 in lots of lengths. And imo the 11.12 in 164 cm is the best ski for the groomed i ever skied. If you are going to buy such expensive ski's shell out the extra 50 euro's and get the 11.12. You will not regret it. It's stiffer, has more rebound and holds an edge better on ice.
post #19 of 26
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Originally posted by Ezz:
Forgive my ignorance but we are talking about the Salomon Equipe 10 3V? Or did you guys mean the Equipe 8 3V?

Cheers.

PS. I will ofc write a review of my new SL's in these forums! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
I'm talking about the 10's, as I beleive most people are...
post #20 of 26
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Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:

Oh, and one more thing, invest the extra $$ in the poweraxe sl plate if you are going to be skiing a lot of groomed snow with them. They add a very smooth ride to the ski.
I can attest to that. I bought them in 2001 without a plate. They pressure cracked and I warrantied them for ones with a plate and it really makes a difference.

Oh and that's another thing. I cannot speak about the newer models, but the 2001 and older tend to pressure crack a ton. But it is purely cosmetic and does not affect the ski. And Salomon has been good warranty-wise to me...
post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 
Forgive my ignorance but we are talking about the Salomon Equipe 10 3V? Or did you guys mean the Equipe 8 3V?

Cheers.

PS. I will ofc write a review of my new SL's in these forums! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #22 of 26
I found a pair of "Race Room" Equipe 10 3V's from www.skidealer.com in California. I don't know if they'd ship overseas but they were only $320 + shipping for last years model which is exactly the same as this years model except for some tail graphics. Mine did not have the plate but I bought the S914 Pe2 bindings which have a lifter plate. I know it's not the same but we'll see this weekend when I give them my first test drive.

I demoed the Head WC last weekend and didn't really care for it. It wasn't bad but just not as fun as the Nordica K12 and the Fischer Rc4. The one mentioned above with the 122 shovel.

I hope I like my 3v's. Never got to demo but couldn't pass up the deal. The bindings are brand new and picked them up for $185.

So, if I don't like this set up I'll be offering it at a great price in a week or two. But I think I'm going to dig it from what everyone has said.

BTW, I'm 5'10" 215 lbs.

Cheers,

Sean
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
Oh, and one more thing, invest the extra $$ in the poweraxe sl plate if you are going to be skiing a lot of groomed snow with them. They add a very smooth ride to the ski.
Ok, update here. I didn't buy my ski's yet but I'm looking at the following set atm:

Ski: Salomon Equipe 10 3V powerax (this includes the plate)
Binding: Salomon s912 ti

Now Salomon suggests a different binding, namely the s914 fis but I think the s912 is better for free skiing because it is a lighter binding?

Anyone has last minute suggestions? (atm, I'm negotiating about the price with my supplier [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

[ January 17, 2003, 04:10 AM: Message edited by: Ezz ]
post #24 of 26
Did you try any of the Stocklis?

The race skis ARE TRUE world cup skis & if you don't want race - try the others...

Yuki suggested some for you
post #25 of 26
i enjoyed my brief time on the '02 Rossis (T-Power 9S, etc., in a 167). to the point that it is all i can do to NOT buy a pair right now.
and i've seen '02 top-end slaloms on online clearance "shelves" for $400, including Atomic, Rossi, Head and Fischer. i would've grabbed the rossis straight away but decided to wait, ski as many of them as I can (hoping Mr. Keelty has a few at the DemoDay) and watch for THIS years shorties next year.
post #26 of 26
[Edit, removed irrelevant quote]

Someone mentiond the K12? Anyone try them for freeskiing? I know what Keelty says, just want to get a second opinion..

[ January 19, 2003, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Lodro ]
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