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WTH Happened to Lift Ticket Prices Lately?! - Page 3post #61 of 1524/16/13 at 11:02pmI agree with the OP totally. Good Disney comparison. As much as I love skiing, what you get for the money from Disney is world's apart a better and more memorable experience.
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I've felt the 'sticker shock', and ended my season on April 13 because I didn't feel that lift tickets in New England were reasonably priced for spring conditions.
But on the other hand, I think that we're comparing apples and oranges here.
Detachable high speed chairs are much more expensive to install and maintain; and maintenance is especially crucial. Look what happens when the clamp that holds a chair fails, and the chair slides backwards along the cable, striking the following chair - as happened once in Canada. Insurance for these newer chairs must be much higher than for the old ones.
Look at the fact that a decent skier can get in 6 runs in less than an hour at a place like Hunter, on a weekday, and the snow making. Snow making, like lift operations, is heavily affected by the price of energy.
If the experience of skiing was the same as it was 15 or 20 years ago, I could see comparing the prices directly. But I think the experience is much better now.
I'm an old man who makes sardonic jokes at the end of the day about being crippled, needing a girl scout to help me, thinking of steeling a wheelchair just to get back to my car, etc.
My problem with my feet, knees and hips is mostly from the fact that I'm getting in much more skiing now than I did in the days of $45 lift tickets. If there was a 5 minute lift line and 10 minute ride to the top I'd be giving my body a 15 minute rest between runs. Now it's less than half of that. I ski much more now than I did when I was 30 years younger and 30 lbs lighter.
I'm generally very critical of business interests. The scam artist 'boot fitters'. The rude and dishonest employees at places like Hunter. The atrocious PSIA style instruction which I believe does more harm than good.
But when it comes to lift ticket prices, I think that most of the price increases are justified by increased service and expenses. Maybe not ALL of the price increase, but most.
Just my opinion.post #64 of 1524/17/13 at 6:42amQuote:
But they'd look at you funny if you showed up at Disney with full body armor and a full face helmet. Just saying.post #65 of 1524/17/13 at 6:55amQuote:
On the other hand, I've been told that I look like a cross between Goofy and Daffy Duck when I ski, and I've always felt welcome on the slopes. Not respected, but welcome.post #66 of 1524/17/13 at 8:54amAs much as I enjoy Disneyland, I enjoy 6 Flags Magic Mt. more. Sort of like the difference between Vail and Jackson Hole, more thrill rides in one versus the other but still fun.
More to the point, as much as any company Disney pioneered the concept of increasing admission about a buck a year, because they found that they could. Plus, they offer early admission and after normal closing hours add-ons as well.
And unless you happen to live near Anaheim or Orlando, there's airfare and accommodations and all the meals. If you happen to live within an hour or two driving distance to a ski area these expenses don't factor in as much, except for ski trips. In that respect, skiing for a season with my seasons pass is way cheaper than a 3-4 day trip to Disneyland, and for myself, more rewarding.post #67 of 1524/17/13 at 9:46amQuote:
Disney is also not locked into costly arms race with similar resort offering Thanksgiving opening on WROD either! ;-)Quote:And unless you happen to live near Anaheim or Orlando, there's airfare and accommodations and all the meals. If you happen to live within an hour or two driving distance to a ski area these expenses don't factor in as much, except for ski trips. In that respect, skiing for a season with my seasons pass is way cheaper than a 3-4 day trip to Disneyland, and for myself, more rewarding.
Relatively unknown to the population living outside of Florida or California, Disney also offers something akin to the season pass. (I lived in Florida for 2 year and took advantage of that)post #68 of 1524/17/13 at 10:00am
An obvious thought just occurred to me. OP, you DO realize that you don't HAVE to pay for lift tickets, right? You are always welcome to "earn your turns." Welcome to the wonderful world of touring. You'll never have to line those evil, greedy fatcat resort owners' pockets again! There. Problem solved.post #69 of 1524/17/13 at 10:11amQuote:
Ugh, I'm not saying I'd rather take a sharp stick to the eye than fight the tubby, flip-flop wearing masses at Disney World/Land.....but it's close.post #70 of 1524/17/13 at 10:17amQuote:Originally Posted by AustinFromSA
An obvious thought just occurred to me. OP, you DO realize that you don't HAVE to pay for lift tickets, right? You are always welcome to "earn your turns." Welcome to the wonderful world of touring. You'll never have to line those evil, greedy fatcat resort owners' pockets again! There. Problem solved.
Yep, it's all the rage now, OP! The backcountry beckons...post #71 of 1524/17/13 at 10:18amQuote:
Where are you skiing? I want to make sure I never go there.
(In interests of full disclosure, I have never been to Disney and I have absolutely no interest in ever going there).post #72 of 1524/17/13 at 10:24am
There's only one reason Disney was injected into the thread: the ghost of Annette (may she rest in peace) is influencing our fingers, playing tricks with our minds as we type.post #73 of 1524/17/13 at 12:24pmQuote:
I've lived near Disneyland for the last 35 years or so and haven't gone in 20+ years. I honestly can't fathom this statement having done both.
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A disney fan probably says the same thing about spending a day moving around on frozen water. To each their own.post #75 of 1524/17/13 at 12:37pmQuote:
To each his own. My wife had a season pass to Disney. I just never understood standing around in line from 30 to 90 minutes ride, rinse, repeat and that was before I skied, way before.post #76 of 1524/17/13 at 12:54pmQuote:Lol!Originally Posted by mustski
Yes, skiing is expensive. In my opinion it's worth it. When I think of all the other money wasting addictions available to me, I think I made the wise choice. Spending all my "disposable income" on season passes, lift tickets, gear, more gear, newer gear and so on works for me and probably saved me from a world of hurt. I have diligently worked at causing the same addiction in my son. I began brainwashing at 3yrs. Now at 16 yrs, he salivates in anticipation over a long, rectangular, beautifully wrapped box as he asks, "I wonder what THESE could be?" Skiing is time well spent (and money wisely invested) for my family.post #77 of 1524/17/13 at 1:04pmQuote:Originally Posted by KevinFQuote:Originally Posted by Richie-Rich
As much as I love skiing, what you get for the money from Disney is world's apart a better and more memorable experience.
Where are you skiing? I want to make sure I never go there.
(In interests of full disclosure, I have never been to Disney and I have absolutely no interest in ever going there).
Richie skis at Hunter. I must say, whenever he gets into a discussion it livens the whole thing uppost #78 of 1524/17/13 at 1:11pm
When we went to DisneyWorld in FL a couple years ago they had some weird and extreme geographic price discrimination thing going on. Florida residents (with proof/ID) could get park admission for roughly half what out of state visitors had to pay. And, not talking about season passes, just a straight up one day admission ticket. FWIW, our 6 and 7 year old kids weren't all that impressed once we arrived and spent a few hours inside. They were ready to go back to the hotel at 4 pm. They preferred swimming to returning to the park that evening. And, they enjoyed Sea World the next day quite a bit more. We had to drag them out of Sea World as it was closing hahaha.
For the boy skiing>Disney.
For the girl horses>Disney.
As for what is a "SKIER".. it has a lot more to do with the size of the smile on the face of the person on the mountain than it does with how many days a season they can get out of work to do it.post #79 of 1524/17/13 at 1:14pmQuote:Originally Posted by at_nyc
Disney is also not locked into costly arms race with similar resort offering Thanksgiving opening on WROD either! ;-)
Relatively unknown to the population living outside of Florida or California, Disney also offers something akin to the season pass. (I lived in Florida for 2 year and took advantage of that)
I will admit I had an annual pass to Disneyland one year. GF insisted. And I live near Seattle. They allowed me to apply the 3-day pass towards an annual pass and I figured I would go back within a year. Worked out OK though I haven't been back since. Guess I had enough.post #80 of 1524/17/13 at 1:19pmpost #81 of 1524/17/13 at 1:39pm
Thats the problem......its like saying you dont like cell phones but the last time you used one they looked like this:
I've been to Disney World many times, first as a kid and most recently last year (coincidentally the world cheerleader and fitness finals were there so the fat middle America was mostly absent). It is a great place, dare I say especially for an adult. No lines when you get the fast-track pass.
BTW was at Stratton Vt. 3 weeks ago.....best corduroy I have ever experienced in my life.....GPS got me at 50mph, and I was rusty. Still, even though I felt I had gone to ski heaven.....Disney World is amazing.post #82 of 1524/17/13 at 1:53pmpost #83 of 1524/17/13 at 2:12pmpost #84 of 1524/17/13 at 2:19pmpost #85 of 1524/17/13 at 2:25pmpost #86 of 1524/18/13 at 3:00pmQuote:Bad idea on the east coast . You need to goto where the show is not buy a value pass and enjoy their 5 good visits of great conditions and then dealing with crap while other places are getting dumped on
Liftopiapost #87 of 1524/19/13 at 9:46am
We're going to DW with the kids next year. I'm really not looking forward to it. Yeah, it will be fun to see the joy on the kid's faces, but everyone that has been keeps "prepping" us on the ins and outs. We have some friends that do something Disney every year and they're sort of like corporate Disney zombies. Disney pisses me off, they screwed up espn and everything in Orlando is faked. I can't stand "created" atmosphere or culture. This is probably the reason why I don't care that much for vapid places like Vegas. Given the choice of Disney or The cottonwoods in Utah, I'd probably choose Snowbird/Alta/Solitude/Brighton every time.post #88 of 1524/19/13 at 1:29pmQuote:Originally Posted by sooneron Disney pisses me off, they screwed up espn and everything in Orlando is faked. I can't stand "created" atmosphere or culture. This is probably the reason why I don't care that much for vapid places like Vegas. Given the choice of Disney or The cottonwoods in Utah, I'd probably choose Snowbird/Alta/Solitude/Brighton every time.
I would like to agree with this, except I am forced to make exceptions for twee pseudo-alpine villages.
I am therefore forced to resort to my second line of objection: the lack of things to do* at Disney.
*Sorry, standing and waiting may count as service in the Miltonian sense, but sitting and experiencing and eating don't count as doing.post #89 of 1524/20/13 at 5:48pmpost #90 of 1524/20/13 at 6:13pm
the thing that bothers me is the close resorts that are small are still basically the same price, 60, 70 bucks, even though other resorts offer way more. I'm going to have to break down and get the seasons pass to gore/whiteface, since they are my favorite. but it sucks because I want to try the mountains I haven't been to, and ski other resorts sometimes. that and the price of stowe just seems ridiculous, and anything about 70 bucks for a ticket seems pretty crazy. i've been using liftopia and it seems to be my only options besides a seasons pass or paying 100 dollars for day tickets : (.
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