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Alternative to 4frnt renegade

post #1 of 13
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I have a pair of these skis in 186 and absolutely love them.... On the right day. There is nothing I would rather ride on a bottomless day. They are even my primary tool for boot deep an crudy days.

The only issue I have is later in the afternoon on those crudy days they do not perform that well

I feel like they do not accel in variable terrain and moguls, primarily because they are so dam stiff they just don't flex properly when you hit type bumps or find yourself in changing terrain.

Furthermore being on 150lbs it can be alot of ski, I wouldn't mind something with a little lighter swing weight. Basically I am looking for something with a similar rocker profile, or possibley even some camber under foot, but not quite as stiff or as wide.

Thanks for the help everyone
post #2 of 13

On the right feet, those are a powerful all mountain capable ski. I've seen some really strong skiers drive that ski on nasty surfaces and rip. Personally, based on two half days in variable conditions,  I find the Renegade to be incredibly demanding. They seem to want non-stop command - and punish any lapses. And I have my share of lapses... 

 

At your size/wt - if you like 4FRNT, think about the Hoji. I've only taken a few runs on 'em, but to my mind they are capable of doing anything I'd want to do, and are way more forgiving than the Renegade. Obviously a bit narrower, but given your weight and goals, still probably "in the zone". You might also like the last gen EHPs, which I found more forgiving than the Renegade -- and which can probably still be found. Praxis has several models probably worth a look. The new Praxis GPO at 182 might be just what you are looking for. Very skiable by mortals (way more so than the Renegade IMO), but versatile and reliable enough to be on the 1st place FWT podium in 3 out of a total of 6 comps this year. Maybe order in a medium vs the default medium stiff? Depending on which way you want to go, check the website and assorted reviews on the Concept and Protest as well (the Protest does not ski as wide as it is). Sounds like the DPS 112RP might work. Etc... The good news is there are lots of skis in this very general space these days. Both from indies and majors - and 'tweeners like 4FRNT and Armada. Many more forgiving than the Renegade. Given the kind of ski you are looking for, look through the reviews on Blister Gear and TGR.... 

post #3 of 13

The HOJI is your answer. I am 6'2" 165lbs and the 187 is my daily driver. You won't be disappointed.

post #4 of 13
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How does the hoji "pop" I like a ski that you can load and spring out of a turn. I know this is not a characteristic of a rockered or flat ski, but is it any better than the renegade in this department?
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
 

On the right feet, those are a powerful all mountain capable ski. I've seen some really strong skiers drive that ski on nasty surfaces and rip. Personally, based on two half days in variable conditions,  I find the Renegade to be incredibly demanding. They seem to want non-stop command - and punish any lapses. And I have my share of lapses... 

 

At your size/wt - if you like 4FRNT, think about the Hoji. I've only taken a few runs on 'em, but to my mind they are capable of doing anything I'd want to do, and are way more forgiving than the Renegade. Obviously a bit narrower, but given your weight and goals, still probably "in the zone". You might also like the last gen EHPs, which I found more forgiving than the Renegade -- and which can probably still be found. Praxis has several models probably worth a look. The new Praxis GPO at 182 might be just what you are looking for. Very skiable by mortals (way more so than the Renegade IMO), but versatile and reliable enough to be on the 1st place FWT podium in 3 out of a total of 6 comps this year. Maybe order in a medium vs the default medium stiff? Depending on which way you want to go, check the website and assorted reviews on the Concept and Protest as well (the Protest does not ski as wide as it is). Sounds like the DPS 112RP might work. Etc... The good news is there are lots of skis in this very general space these days. Both from indies and majors - and 'tweeners like 4FRNT and Armada. Many more forgiving than the Renegade. Given the kind of ski you are looking for, look through the reviews on Blister Gear and TGR.... 

 

 

seeing me skis and with knowledge that I have 185cm Patrons(easier going more tip to turn powder ski) and 185cm Cochise(mach 10 though crud) I am wanting a ski like the Cochise in wide open deeper snow, but could still also be used in tight space when the snow is deep even in vermont. 

 

The Rens are on sale on BC.com and really want to buy and for the first time I am not sure due to mix reviews. 

post #6 of 13
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Josh the renegades are the best ski I have ever skied if you want to go and make big turns in steep and deep. It's also great it the trees when it's deep, you can make any jape turn you want. They are demanding, but that is the trade off for being able to rip big lines through crud and deep snow. They are not ideal for any other condition, but that is what you have the patrons for.
post #7 of 13

As said Rens are amazing soft snow ski, so much fun. I use 185 Cochise whenever there is no new snow and like them. I wouldn't call them poppy, but they are extremely versatile and predictable which is what I like about them, and still have decent powder performance.

post #8 of 13
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anyone have any interesting trades for me?

post #9 of 13

kastle MX83 173 :P ?

post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Good ski, but nit what I am looking for. I want a fully rockered ski slightly narrower than the renegade or a ripping front side groomer
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
What else you got? Also on sale for $400 bucks, you pay shipping
post #12 of 13
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What else you got? Also on sale for $400 bucks, you pay shipping

 

 

I wish I had something to offer..... maybe if you have them next fall ill consider a Cochise or a Patron trade. 

post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
I heard in another post you are coming out to snowbird, we should ski a day
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