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I thought to share some content of the NFS “accepted” 2013 Loveland master plan.  For those who ski and enjoy the horseshoe ringing the tunnel, some neat stuff that many of us would like to see happen.  I'm still looking for NFS "approval" and specific timeline before I do my inverted dive off the ridge lip in celebration ;)  The full plan with can be viewed from LUV’s website (the mountain>master plan)

 

Summary of the National Forest Service “acceptance” of Loveland’s 2013 MP within its 40-year term SUP.

 

Overview:

 

Loveland ski area resort, including the base area and related operations, encompass an area of approximately 3,620 acres, all of which are in the Forest Service-administered SUP area. Of this, approximately 1,800 acres are lift-serviced skiable terrain, with another 415 acres accessible with hiking. The lowest elevations at Loveland are at the Valley area and include the bottom terminal of Lift 3 (10,635 feet above mean sea level [amsl]) and the base area. The highest elevations are in the Basin area and include the top of Lift 9 (12,673 feet amsl, the second-highest lift in North America) and the highest hike-to point along The Ridge (13,010 feet amsl), which is on the Continental Divide. Thus, Loveland’s lift-served vertical drop is 2,038 feet (although it is not possible to ski from the Basin to the Valley), and its total skiable vertical drop is approximately 1,800 feet.  Loveland ski area 10-year average annual skier visits is 275,309.

 

Loveland Valley and Basin Plan goals (summary):

 

·         Improve the first-time and learning progression ski experience at Loveland by providing an appropriate learning progression in an uncongested area and developing additional beginner and lower ability level terrain.

·         Expand and improve the guest service facilities in the Valley to complement the improved teaching terrain

·         Replace and/or modify Lift 5 to regain and improve circulation between the Valley and the Basin.

·         Enhance the overall recreation experience by improving upon, and providing, convenient on-mountain and base area guest services.

·         Improve the experience for skiers on the North side of Interstate 70, by adding guest service facilities, improving egress, and add lift access to The Ridge.

 

Loveland Basin Plan Projects Summary:

 

·         Basin Lodge improvements (enclose deck for additional seating and increase kitchen/storage space)

·         Improve delivery vehicle access and turnaround adjacent to the Basin Lodge, add 25parking spaces

·         Remodel lift operations/ski school building

·         Replace Chair 2 in its existing alignment or by installing two chairlifts that separately serve the lower and upper sections of the existing Chair 2 skiing terrain

·         Develop an on-mountain facility (either expansion of Ptarmigan Roost or at a different location) that will provide indoor seats, restrooms, water/sewer, full kitchen and restaurant

·         Remove dead trees and thin the stand of trees between Cat’s Meow and Nix Nox trails

·         Snowmaking storage improvements (increase depth of existing pond and develop an additional pond near the base of Chair 4)

·         Develop a Chair 8 warming hut/yurt with limited food and beverage, deck, and toilet facilities

·         Improve Chair 8 egress (trail clearing and grading to pedestrian tunnel)

·         Provide lift access to The Ridge with the addition of “Chair 10” above Chair 8 and surface lift to Wild Child and Porcupine Saddle

·         Offer guided backcountry and snowcat tours across approximately 1,000 acres on the slopes of Mt. Trelease, Western Slope of Mt. Trelease, and Dry Gulch (lookers right of chair 8)

·         Develop a snowcat access route to snowcat tour drop points

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"Provide lift access to The Ridge with the addition of “Chair 10” above Chair 8 and surface lift to Wild Child and Porcupine Saddle"

 

That's the best part of the master plan IMHO.  I heard about these ideas at the beginning of the season, but I was told by quite a few "in the know" that the only way they will ever happen is if Loveland has a couple "banner" seasons to generate the cash flow they need to make the investments in new lifts.  Unfortunately this season has not been a good one for Loveland.  We need the snow to get the skier visits up.

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Any guesses as to increasing lift ticket prices to fund this? Or is funding in place already? I don't speak for everybody but I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks more per ticket / pass if they can open up access to the Ridge and side country. 

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Any guesses as to increasing lift ticket prices to fund this? Or is funding in place already? I don't speak for everybody but I wouldn't mind paying a few bucks more per ticket / pass if they can open up access to the Ridge and side country. 

I like the attitude here, I'm with you asp.

 

[Full disclosure] While Betsy and I benefit from comps at LUV and as such would not participate $ubstantially at the ticket window, we'd consider a one time investment to help promote breaking ground after NFS approval of the plan as the particular Basin specific improvements are so attractive to us.

 

Heck, I'd even consider a model that follows the Green Bay Packer stock certificate plan to help prime the pump for progress ;)

 

Of course I'd go into it knowing (like all participating Packers know) that I'd never realize a gain or dividend from the Loveland Ski area common stock equivalent outside the value of the paper stock used to print and record ownership my share.  

 

But...BUT...we'd sure value knowing we put our money where our mouth was as we enjoy the "new look" of skiing the 2013 MP outlines.

 

Let's go expedite the funding of Loveland :)  

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You should post up the idea on the LL FB page and see if it gains traction... smile.gif

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Link to the Loveland 2013 Master Plan (from a link on the Loveland Ski Area website)

http://www.skiloveland.com/Loveland%20Ski%20Area%202013%20Master%20Plan/Loveland%20Ski%20Area%202013%20Master%20Plan.pdf

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How would you all feel about funding the expansion through acquisition by or a pass deal with Winter Park and/or Copper?  

 

I would love it if Loveland was added to my Rocky Mountain Super Pass, and it would balance out A-basin's deal with Vail.   I doubt current Loveland skiers would like the additional skiers, but what if it funded the expansion?   

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Loveland is incredibly empty on the weekdays and still fairly empty on the weekends.  Jumping into bed with Copper and Winter Park actually would make a lot of sense for them and Copper (since they're also hurting for skier visits).  These mountains have to do something to compete with Vail Resorts and win some skiers back.  So I would be in favor of the deal even if it meant more people at LL - IF it meant that LL would have the money to expand terrain and improve the lifts.

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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
that the only way they will ever happen is if Loveland has a couple "banner" seasons to generate the cash flow they need to make the investments in new lifts.  Unfortunately this season has not been a good one for Loveland.  We need the snow to get the skier visits up.

 

Are you sure you aren't overstating Loveland's financial peril? I have a hard time thinking that they are that bad off, as other small resorts Monarch, Eldora, Wolf Creek, are healthy on the balance sheet and sinking profits into expansions plans a lot wilder than Loveland's. Loveland gets more skier visits than the others, although Eldora is just behind.

 

The game of "lets see how much money we made before we decide whether to install a new lift this year or next" is pretty common for smaller ski areas, but it usually doesn't mean things won't happen- it just may take an extra few years if the weather doesn't play along.

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How would you all feel about funding the expansion through acquisition by or a pass deal with Winter Park and/or Copper?  

 

 

How would you feel about somebody coming to your house and murdering your dog?

post #11 of 13

Sorry if it wasn't clear, but I was only relaying what I've heard from some of the patrollers and a couple instructors at LL.  I'm assuming that they're much closer to the inside story than I am.  I personally don't know for certain what the true situation is.

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How would you feel about somebody coming to your house and murdering your dog?

Well, that's a kind thought, thanks.  You ski Wolf Creek, so what do you care?  

 

My guess is most Loveland skiers would love to have a pass that works at Copper, Winter Park and a few days at Steamboat.  

 

Loveland, Copper and Winter Park passes are all $369.   Rocky Mountain Super Pass is $419.  Epic Local Pass is $529.

 

Add Loveland to the RMSP, bump the price up to $449 and it's still much cheaper than Vail.  Would that give Loveland enough revenue to fund the expansion though?

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Well, that's a kind thought, thanks.  You ski Wolf Creek, so what do you care?  

 

My guess is most Loveland skiers would love to have a pass that works at Copper, Winter Park and a few days at Steamboat.  

 

Loveland, Copper and Winter Park passes are all $369.   Rocky Mountain Super Pass is $419.  Epic Local Pass is $529.

 

Add Loveland to the RMSP, bump the price up to $449 and it's still much cheaper than Vail.  Would that give Loveland enough revenue to fund the expansion though?

 

Sorry, that wasn't meant to be an internet threat to kill your dog.  I was referring to that "punched in the gut" feeling that I think much of Loveland's target market would have if the area got sold to Powdr.

 

I don't buy that Loveland needs revenue to fund their rather minor expansion plan- with low snow seasons, it just may take a few years.

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