EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Mountain/Resort Related Forums › Resorts, Conditions & Travel › House in Sun Peaks or Revelstoke?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

House in Sun Peaks or Revelstoke?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I had my mind made up about buying a house in Whistler this past year. However it seems like to me every trip I take to Whistler gets worse (in terms of weather), and I've quickly fallen out of love. On my three ski trips there this year I have had a total of 2 sunny days, the rest have been combinations of skiing in clouds and bad snow. I've been no flied twice on Heli trips now as well. 

 

At this point I've given up on Whistler and want to look for another mountain to have a base at (in Canada). What Im really looking for I guess is good weather. I love Aspen, particularly Snowmass. Double black terrain is not as important to me because I have the ability to go cat/heli skiing. So weather, good snow quality and ease of travel. 

 

I've been to Revelstoke. I liked- the town, snow and weather. What I didnt like was how difficult it is to get to from Kelowna, the amount of road closures, the reality that there is really only two chair lifts and that the lots are extremely expensive for what you get (IMO). Of course if Revelstoke proceeded with more of its original plans for lifts and service that would be a different story, but I can seem to find any information on that. Does anyone know of any plans for new lifts?

 

I've never been to Sun Peaks. I actually found out about Sun Peaks when I was in Revelstoke, I liked how close it was to Kamloops. Everything that I've heard about Sun Peaks makes me think of Snowmass- long, groomed, blue cruisers. I like that is close to a few helicopter operations and that is does possess moderate backcountry terrain. What Im not exactly sure on is the weather and snow quality if anyone with experience can chime in? Night life is not important to me anymore, I realize Sun Peaks will not have much. 

post #2 of 19

I've been to both Sun Peaks and Snowmass and they don't remind me of each other at all. I wouldn't say Sun Peaks has particularly long runs.You'll notice they have three separate (though adjacent) hills; only the tallest has an impressive amount of vertical, but it's only accessible by a 50 year old chairlift that takes ages. When I think long cruisers I think Sun Valley, where they just go on and on and on. Sun Peaks isn't like that.

 

The big problem with Sun Peaks in my view is that it only gets 220" of snow. If you want sun then yes you'll get that, but how much do you like hardpack? I've only been once and I had a nice enough time but it hadn't snowed in weeks, and being from the PNW I'm not a big fan of waiting for the groomers to soften up--I like snow. The weather does generally stay cold so the snow preservation is pretty good, but I kept an eye on conditions the rest of the season after our January trip, and it seemed like temps over freezing, sun, and no new snow is the norm.

 

Also the village is very small, smaller than Snowmass and also without a great town like Aspen down the road. Are you okay with driving 45 minutes to go to a real grocery store? I'm not trying to diss Sun Peaks--maybe it's exactly what you're looking for--but definitely make a trip there before seriously considering it. There is a local here who hopefully will chime in and give you his view.

post #3 of 19

if you like Blue cruisers and sunny weather also check Panorama - from there an easy drive to other more challenging areas and good heli skiing. 

post #4 of 19

Sun Peaks sounds great. Mike Wiegle Heli-Skiing is near by.

Sun Peaks is more upscale. Sound like you need to do more

skiing in that area. You always can take a side trip to Revelstoke.

I am taking a big trip myself out there next year. I have been to 

Aspen/Snowmass and enjoy the long runs, however, I think Sun Peaks

has 3 high speed chairs that average about 1500 vertical feet.

post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks a lot for all the replies-

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christy319 View Post

The big problem with Sun Peaks in my view is that it only gets 220" of snow. If you want sun then yes you'll get that, but how much do you like hardpack? 

 

Also the village is very small, smaller than Snowmass and also without a great town like Aspen down the road. Are you okay with driving 45 minutes to go to a real grocery store? I'm not trying to diss Sun Peaks--maybe it's exactly what you're looking for--but definitely make a trip there before seriously considering it. There is a local here who hopefully will chime in and give you his view.

 

I like hard pack, however its more so for my guest/family. When I want to the tougher terrain, I just go Cat/Heli skiing. I was aware of the lower snowfall, but Snowmass is typically only at 250", I guess thats why I linked these two together. 

 

I will for sure visit before I made a purchase. Thanks! 

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post

if you like Blue cruisers and sunny weather also check Panorama - from there an easy drive to other more challenging areas and good heli skiing. 

 

Thanks, Im not set in stone on any resort so I will look into Panorama. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by SunValleySteve View Post

Sun Peaks sounds great. Mike Wiegle Heli-Skiing is near by.

Sun Peaks is more upscale. Sound like you need to do more

skiing in that area. You always can take a side trip to Revelstoke.

I am taking a big trip myself out there next year. I have been to 

Aspen/Snowmass and enjoy the long runs, however, I think Sun Peaks

has 3 high speed chairs that average about 1500 vertical feet.

 

Mike Weigle is one of the reasons I thought Sun Peaks would be a great location. Sun Peaks is listed at 2,891 in terms of vertical. Do you think if feels that much smaller at 1500? I know Revelstoke is listed much higher in terms of vertical but I dont view that as accurate because you really can't ski the entire mountain. 

post #6 of 19

Have you done Rosland / Red Mountain?  

 

Great mountain, that is expanding.  The town seems a lot like Aspen of an earlier time.  A couple hour drive from Spokane.  Cat skiing at the doorstep.

post #7 of 19

Where do you live now?  Accessibility is a big issue with second homes.  If it's a pita to get there, you won't go as often. 

 

Without a decent airport, Revelstoke is a long way from anywhere.  Plus it has a lot of the same fog issues that Whistler does.

 

Will you use it in the summer?  Lot's of nice lakes in Canada!

post #8 of 19

If you want to be near a town (10 minute drive or less) and attending real estate and entertainment options then in BC it has to be Rossland, Revelstoke or Fernie none of which are blue ski cruiser mountains. In fact they are pretty much the opposite. However Rossland is very cool and in my jaded BC opinion, not overpriced. For what you are looking for I would second checking out Panorama. It is quite close to Invermere, has 4000 vertical feet and the blue sky long cruisers you seek plus heli skiing literally out the back door ( http://www.rkheliski.com/ ). Cranbrook International Airport is about an hour away and Calgary Airport about three hours. It is also an easy day trip to Kicking Horse and Fernie for more challange. You didn't mention it but the area offers incredible recreation opportunities in the summer, more so than the other places mentioned. The climate is dry ranchland with big pine trees, grass and some sagebrush while Rossland and Fernie are temperate west coast hence their reputation for powder.  

I hope this helps.

post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

Where do you live now?  Accessibility is a big issue with second homes.  If it's a pita to get there, you won't go as often. 

 

Without a decent airport, Revelstoke is a long way from anywhere.  Plus it has a lot of the same fog issues that Whistler does.

 

Will you use it in the summer?  Lot's of nice lakes in Canada!

 

I agree, thats why I liked Sun Peaks (45 minutes from Kamloops) and I live in Toronto. I might possibly use it in the summer, but this is more just for skiing I would say. Thanks!

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Castle Dave View Post

If you want to be near a town (10 minute drive or less) and attending real estate and entertainment options then in BC it has to be Rossland, Revelstoke or Fernie none of which are blue ski cruiser mountains. In fact they are pretty much the opposite. However Rossland is very cool and in my jaded BC opinion, not overpriced. For what you are looking for I would second checking out Panorama. It is quite close to Invermere, has 4000 vertical feet and the blue sky long cruisers you seek plus heli skiing literally out the back door ( http://www.rkheliski.com/ ). Cranbrook International Airport is about an hour away and Calgary Airport about three hours. It is also an easy day trip to Kicking Horse and Fernie for more challange. You didn't mention it but the area offers incredible recreation opportunities in the summer, more so than the other places mentioned. The climate is dry ranchland with big pine trees, grass and some sagebrush while Rossland and Fernie are temperate west coast hence their reputation for powder.  

I hope this helps.

 

Thanks! Looking more into Panorama some posters are saying snow quality is an issue. Do you think its similar to Sun Peaks in that regard?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger View Post

Have you done Rosland / Red Mountain?  

 

Great mountain, that is expanding.  The town seems a lot like Aspen of an earlier time.  A couple hour drive from Spokane.  Cat skiing at the doorstep.

 

I've never really heard of Red Mountain so I just looked at it. It looks great, some place I would definitely like to check out, however it looks like its mostly for experts. The only issue I have with that is the majority of my guest will not be experts and would probably have a difficult time. Is that something you would agree with? 

post #10 of 19
 
 
Sun Peaks is more upscale.

No it's not. There are no high end hotels or restaurants. It's a middle class, family place.

 

 

Quote:

 

Snowmass is typically only at 250", I guess thats why I linked these two together. 

 

Snowmass says they average 300", so unless you think that's wrong, that's significantly more than Sun Peaks.

post #11 of 19

MLsholdings, If you make it out to check out Sun Peaks next season look me up at Elevation Ski Shop in the Delta Hotel. I will give you the local's tour which can feature enough black runs to wear you out in a day and make you glad you get such a long rest on that slow Burfield chairlift.

 

Ski Canada magazine in previous "Best of Skiing in Canada" issues has named the Thompson/Okanagan as the best skiing weather in Canada and also called Sun Peaks the most like skiing in Colorado of any resort in Canada (due to the amount of sun and long wide runs). And ya the snow is very, very dry.

 

For a lot of details, read my local's review in my signature.

 

SP is also cutting some new runs this summer on the north face of Mt. Morressey on some very steep terrain.

post #12 of 19

Panorama gets my vote. Plus you'll be in great position for jumbo. 

 

Also, to better take advantage of all seasons, don't buy on the mountain, then spend the savings on a sled and a boat. 

post #13 of 19

don't hold your breath for Jumbo - 20 years and counting now.

but as to the question on snow quality Panorama is very much like Sun Peaks just more vertical both are in rain shadows so you get more sunny days and not a lot of fresh. Lots of snow usually comes with the Whistler like visibilty that you don;'t like. Hard to have it both ways. Calgary is the best airport for number and cost of flights, Cranbrook is a bit closer.   

post #14 of 19

Have you considered the US? Real estate in Utah is dirt cheap compared to BC, you got the very best snow without the fog and arguably best selection of terrain in North America.  

 

I fly out of Detroit, which may seem like a PITA to get to from Toronto, but once in SLC, you're only 30-60 minutes to the skiing depending where you're going.  From my house 15min east of Hamilton, I can do DTW in 3h15m.  As well, the direct flight is an hour or so faster than flying from TO to BC.  

 

I'd say total travel time:

TO-DTW ground 3.5h

DTW-SLC air 3.75h

SLC- skiing 0.75

 

is comparable to:

 

your house in TO-YYZ ground 0.5h

YYZ-YVR 4.75

YVR-Whistler ground.2h

 

Some of the BC interior resorts could be even more than the Whistler trip. With 3-4 hours on the ground.  As far as I know, there aren't any directs out of YYZ to SLC, but if there were, that would even sweeten the deal.  Even a flight from YYZ with a short layover could mean less travel than BC given the easy proximity of the Utah resorts to SLC

post #15 of 19

You should rent a couple of weeks where ever you choose, just to make sure you don't make a very expensive mistake.  Are you looking at building? Ski in/out? 

In the states, you can probably still buy cheaper than building in most areas.   Aspen's real estate has come back strong, Snowmass is still a little soft and you can still get a hell of a deal down valley.

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

MLsholdings, If you make it out to check out Sun Peaks next season look me up at Elevation Ski Shop in the Delta Hotel. I will give you the local's tour which can feature enough black runs to wear you out in a day and make you glad you get such a long rest on that slow Burfield chairlift.

 

Ski Canada magazine in previous "Best of Skiing in Canada" issues has named the Thompson/Okanagan as the best skiing weather in Canada and also called Sun Peaks the most like skiing in Colorado of any resort in Canada (due to the amount of sun and long wide runs). And ya the snow is very, very dry.

 

For a lot of details, read my local's review in my signature.

 

SP is also cutting some new runs this summer on the north face of Mt. Morressey on some very steep terrain.

 

This is exactly what I was hoping to hear. Thank you and I will pay you a visit when I make it up there. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post

don't hold your breath for Jumbo - 20 years and counting now.

but as to the question on snow quality Panorama is very much like Sun Peaks just more vertical both are in rain shadows so you get more sunny days and not a lot of fresh. Lots of snow usually comes with the Whistler like visibilty that you don;'t like. Hard to have it both ways. Calgary is the best airport for number and cost of flights, Cranbrook is a bit closer.   

 

Panorama looks great, the only issue is that it look like its a 3 hour drive from Calgary. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe View Post

Have you considered the US? Real estate in Utah is dirt cheap compared to BC, you got the very best snow without the fog and arguably best selection of terrain in North America.  

 

I fly out of Detroit, which may seem like a PITA to get to from Toronto, but once in SLC, you're only 30-60 minutes to the skiing depending where you're going.  From my house 15min east of Hamilton, I can do DTW in 3h15m.  As well, the direct flight is an hour or so faster than flying from TO to BC.  

 

I'd say total travel time:

TO-DTW ground 3.5h

DTW-SLC air 3.75h

SLC- skiing 0.75

 

is comparable to:

 

your house in TO-YYZ ground 0.5h

YYZ-YVR 4.75

YVR-Whistler ground.2h

 

Some of the BC interior resorts could be even more than the Whistler trip. With 3-4 hours on the ground.  As far as I know, there aren't any directs out of YYZ to SLC, but if there were, that would even sweeten the deal.  Even a flight from YYZ with a short layover could mean less travel than BC given the easy proximity of the Utah resorts to SLC

 

I would love to own in Utah or Colorado, unfortunately with my current living situations staying within Canada is just easier. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

You should rent a couple of weeks where ever you choose, just to make sure you don't make a very expensive mistake.  Are you looking at building? Ski in/out? 

In the states, you can probably still buy cheaper than building in most areas.   Aspen's real estate has come back strong, Snowmass is still a little soft and you can still get a hell of a deal down valley.

 

Thanks for the advice. In Revelstoke I would have to build, but doing more research, it really doesn't appear to be any news for development, so Im not very keen on that. In SP or Panorama I would buy something ski in/out. 

post #17 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post

 

but as to the question on snow quality Panorama is very much like Sun Peaks just more vertical both are in rain shadows so you get more sunny days and not a lot of fresh. Lots of snow usually comes with the Whistler like visibilty that you don;'t like. Hard to have it both ways..   

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mlsholdings View Post

 

 

 

Thanks! Looking more into Panorama some posters are saying snow quality is an issue. Do you think its similar to Sun Peaks in that regard?

 

 

 

Noncrazycanuck summed it up nicely. Very similiar snow and weather. Big difference is size. If you could fly direct to Kamloops out of TO then Sun Peaks is quicker but  not if you have to transfer in Vancouver or Calgary. To give a reference for typical ski runs I had a chance to ski Craigleith (Collingwood) on Saturday and the runs there are about the same pitch as Sun Peaks or Panorama just 700 vertical as opposed to 4000 vertical at Panorama and of course Western snow is much better quality. Off hill Kamloops sucks (no offense Kamloopians) while Invermere is beautiful.

As an aside, the Craigleith experience was an eye opener. I've never seen that many Range Rovers on one place!  It is totally beyond me why anybody would spend huge $ to belong to a private ski club in Ontario when they could use the money to do what you are planning. FWIW I think you definitley have the right idea.

post #18 of 19

Just for clarity: Panarama gets 188" of snow annually and Sun Peaks gets 220". Personally, I wouldn't tie my horse to any place that gets less snow than Sun Peaks.

 

Panarama has a lot more snow making than Sun Peaks because they need it. Sun Peaks uses it's  snow making primarily in early season to get open for U.S. Thanksgiving in late November and to run race camps before they are open to the public in early November.They rarely make snow after December.

 

Sun Peaks also has the unique Burfield chairlift. Its kind of a Yogi Berra thing. What makes it so great is that everybody hates it because it is so slow, so no one goes there mid week and it is great because most of the time the runs are untouched. It takes 22 minutes bottom to top, but the thing is that mid week the alternate way to the upper mountain takes 20 minutes and you end up not as high up the mountain.biggrin.gif

post #19 of 19

your right about Sun Peaks, both routes are slow. But then so is Panorama , 3 chairs needed to get back to  Tayton Bowl. But both areas are sunny.
 

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Resorts, Conditions & Travel
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Mountain/Resort Related Forums › Resorts, Conditions & Travel › House in Sun Peaks or Revelstoke?