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kastle lx82 vs head rev 85 pro...anyone ridden both extensively for comparison?

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kastle lx82 vs head rev 85 pro...

 

anyone ridden both extensively for comparison?

post #2 of 24

I own the lx82 in 172?? I did a demo of Head Rev 80 Pro.

 

I pretty much don't care for either. The LX82 is OK but I think it's WAY over-rated. I might even try to sell those things. I like the Head Rev even less. Didn't fit my style of skiing

 

LX82: 8/10

Head Rev: 7/10
 

post #3 of 24

Just out of curiosity ...... what do you like in that general design-type/size of ski, lott42?

post #4 of 24

lott42, if you decide to sell, my husband might be interested. Local pickup even! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post

Just out of curiosity ...... what do you like in that general design-type/size of ski, lott42?


Here's a review I did earlier this year...

 

In case this helps anybody. I demoed 3 skis recently

1. Blizzard 8.0 Magnum Ca (172)

2. Head Rev 80 (170)

3. Nordica FireArrow 80 Ti (172)

 

About me:

51 years old 150lbs probably a level 7 skier. I prefer steep groomed on-piste runs if I can.

 

Conditions:

Spring conditions. Firm snow in morning but soft and slushy by noon

 

1. Blizzard: 2 runs in morning. I knew I like them right away. skis seemed to just cruise and carve right away.

 

2. Head: 1 run in morning after switching from Blizzard. I knew I almost hated(OK, strongly disliked) these right away. For my style(probably not the best), these skis just seemed to skid and not carve as compared to the Blizzard. I immediately switched to Nordica.

 

3. Nordica: Not bad. They felt good but not great. I gave them about an hour after the Heads. Nothing really too bad but just not as good as the Blizzard. Just to make sure, I switched to Blizzard again and WOW, I really do like these skis!!

 

Overall rating

1. Blizzard 8.0 Magnum Ca (172) = 9.5/10

2. Head Rev 80 (170) = 7/10

3. Nordica FireArrow 80 Ti (172) = 8.5/10

 

For me, Blizzard seems to fit my skiing style :o)

post #6 of 24
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lott42, if you decide to sell, my husband might be interested. Local pickup even! biggrin.gif


Hope your having fun in Mammoth. I was supposed to go today with friends but alas "the boss" said no :o( Maybe we can ski Big Bear together next year...

 

I definitely thinking of selling them, I prefer my Blizzard skis more. Send me a PM and we can talk price. Whatever we both think is fair...

post #7 of 24

Let me make sure he wants to...he's a tough nut when it comes to opening the wallet!

Sticky snow yesterday at Mammoth. Nice weather, though!

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Let me make sure he wants to...he's a tough nut when it comes to opening the wallet!

Sticky snow yesterday at Mammoth. Nice weather, though!


No problem about the skis. For me,

 

The pros are 1. very light. I can ski 6-7 hours w/o legs getting tired. 2. Seemed to handle light/powder type conditions really well.

 

The cons, I have a hard time getting those things to carve on hard packed runs. I skied on them twice at Mtn High on icy type conditions and I couldn't get those things to maintain a good edge(again probably me). I took them once to Big Bear in better snow and they a lot better. I still don't know what to think...

 

Keep me posted on Mammoth. My friends are up there too...

post #9 of 24

I've spent several days on both including days on both at Whistler.  In total, 25+ on the Rev85 and 3 on the LX82.  The rev80 and rev85 ski quite differently from each other, so I don't think a comparison between the two is at all useful in this context.  The rev80 is much more demanding in spite of the narrower waist, and demands a higher level of focus from the skier.  It also has a lot less shape than the Rev85, making it harder for some skiers to carve.

 

The lx82 is a very nice ski.  Swing weight is very low, so the skis have a very light feel to them.  That doesn't mean unstable.  The LX82 holds an edge very well and has a nice and forgiving flex profile.  The sidecut is not particularly aggressive and may be a better fit for skiers with older-school technigue.  It's a blast in bumps, and is pretty good at higher speeds -- certainly better than you'd think it should be.

 

In my opinion, and remember, this is all opinion,  Rev85 is considerably more versatile.  I've skied it in conditions up to a foot deep.  It performs better than the lx in crud and heavier cut-up snow.  With the wider tip (133) and the smaller radius, there's not much that can stop it. It is extremely good on bulletproof with higher edge angles, yet supports "slarving" and lower edge angles pretty well.  I prefer the greater dampening of the rev85 as well.  However, it takes a little more effort to work the ski in bumps than the 82 because of the heavier swing weight.  It's pretty easy to get the 85 to carve a trench on harder show if you keep good edge angles.  There are very few skis which support as wide a performance bandwidth and are as versatile as the rev85.  A couple of industry friends and I concur that it may have been the most underrated ski this season.

 

I also find the rev85 skis slightly shorter than the stated length, although the rocker is very moderate.  The LX82 is a traditional camber ski and it skis true to length.  

 

They're both good.  In sum, I fond the Rev85 more versatile, holds speed and hard/ice better, and it has a more aggressive sidecut, but the Kastle is very good ski and perhaps is better if bumps are your focus.  Personally, I prefer the Rev85.

 

Again, just my opinion, but I've spent time on both and like both skis a lot  

 

J

post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 

thanks, JRO92009 ....

 

I demo'd the kastle lx82 last wkend at WB (where all the various demo tents were set up)

 and must say while it was ok, I preferred the extra dampness, carving attitude and muscle of my current mx78.

 

I didn't get to demo the head85pro, however....wanted to get up to WB today to demo (for their last day) at the kastle tent the mx83 but didnt' make it. :(

 

I do have other skis for deeper snow conditions anyway (the nordica steadfast @ 90mm w a 132 shovel, bonnies and also bent chetlers)

...so it's not like I truly ''need'' a mid 80s ski...but being in gear whore mode every now and then I still get the itch to try something new....

 

that said, I do think something mid '80s, esp given the current newer crop with wider shovels and good carving abillties, is an ideal onpiste width for many days when there hasn't been much new snow yet there are varied conditions e.g., some fresh in trees/hidden stashes, some hardpack and also crud.

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Originally Posted by JRO92009 View Post

I've spent several days on both including days on both at Whistler.  In total, 25+ on the Rev85 and 3 on the LX82.  The rev80 and rev85 ski quite differently from each other, so I don't think a comparison between the two is at all useful in this context.  The rev80 is much more demanding in spite of the narrower waist, and demands a higher level of focus from the skier.  It also has a lot less shape than the Rev85, making it harder for some skiers to carve.

 

The lx82 is a very nice ski.  Swing weight is very low, so the skis have a very light feel to them.  That doesn't mean unstable.  The LX82 holds an edge very well and has a nice and forgiving flex profile.  The sidecut is not particularly aggressive and may be a better fit for skiers with older-school technigue.  It's a blast in bumps, and is pretty good at higher speeds -- certainly better than you'd think it should be.

 

In my opinion, and remember, this is all opinion,  Rev85 is considerably more versatile.  I've skied it in conditions up to a foot deep.  It performs better than the lx in crud and heavier cut-up snow.  With the wider tip (133) and the smaller radius, there's not much that can stop it. It is extremely good on bulletproof with higher edge angles, yet supports "slarving" and lower edge angles pretty well.  I prefer the greater dampening of the rev85 as well.  However, it takes a little more effort to work the ski in bumps than the 82 because of the heavier swing weight.  It's pretty easy to get the 85 to carve a trench on harder show if you keep good edge angles.  There are very few skis which support as wide a performance bandwidth and are as versatile as the rev85.  A couple of industry friends and I concur that it may have been the most underrated ski this season.

 

I also find the rev85 skis slightly shorter than the stated length, although the rocker is very moderate.  The LX82 is a traditional camber ski and it skis true to length.  

 

They're both good.  In sum, I fond the Rev85 more versatile, holds speed and hard/ice better, and it has a more aggressive sidecut, but the Kastle is very good ski and perhaps is better if bumps are your focus.  Personally, I prefer the Rev85.

 

Again, just my opinion, but I've spent time on both and like both skis a lot  

 

J


Edited by canali - 4/21/13 at 2:19pm
post #11 of 24

lott42 - still thinking of selling your LX82's?

post #12 of 24

Lott, we are holding off on any new ski purchases until we know where we will be living next year. (UTAH UTAH UTAH!!) Cross your fingers and toes for us.

 

FWIW my husband is also a Blizzard fan. He has the 2011 8.7 mags.

post #13 of 24
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lott42 - still thinking of selling your LX82's?

Possibly. I noticed you're looking for a front side carver. Personally, for my style, I don't really consider these a "carver". Good for cruising but REALLY good on soft or a few inches of light snow. I noticed on ebay you can get brand new w/bindings for a little over 500 bucks. 

post #14 of 24
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Lott, we are holding off on any new ski purchases until we know where we will be living next year. (UTAH UTAH UTAH!!) Cross your fingers and toes for us.

 

FWIW my husband is also a Blizzard fan. He has the 2011 8.7 mags.

If you make it to Utah, I hope to go to Snowbird/Alta during the Xmas break. I'll probably ski on my Bushwackers :o)

post #15 of 24

My thought process is SLC has soft snow, I like the idea a light ski (I water ski on super light carbon slalmon), plus the whole swing weight thing... and I'm a light-weight.  Brings me back to the LX82 being the best choice?  Or, how about LX72?

What do you guys think?

 

lott42 - let me know if your mind goes from possibly to probably.  smile.gif

post #16 of 24
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My thought process is SLC has soft snow,

You live in SLC area?? I plan on making a trip to Alta/Snowbird right after Xmas. If you're still interested I can bring them up with me and if you haven't bought anything else, I'll sell them to you :o)

 

They're are definitely easy on the legs. I'm about your age and size 51 5'8" 150 lbs.

 

I'm thinking of staying in Midvale at the Holiday Inn Express. Any thoughts on this place/location??

post #17 of 24

Dawgcatching has skied and reviewed both here. Not head to head, as a single comparo, but he's pretty consistent so you can cross-check between reviews. I've skied the LX82, have a feeling from the Heads I've known and the reviews that the REV85's are fairly different, beefier and more stabile. IMO the LX82 was a very nice intermediate-high advanced ski, typical Kastle smoothness and finish, but nothing like the LX92, which is a great all-mountain for lighter or less aggressive skiers. My wife also tried the 82 and found it meh. But she's a power skier and owns the MX88, so...

post #18 of 24

I tried Rev 85 177 extensively for a few days of skiing. They are quite...emm...good. Above average edge hold on hard pack and functions on fluffy stuff. Quick edge to edge, Relatively light weight (not as light as RTM 84, which I like even better) which is a huge plus for me, Personally I hate heavy gears. Super ugly top sheet which reminds me of the posters during Soviet Revolutions (seriously, just change the ERA 3.0 logo to the Hammer and Sickle)...the 2014 looks better. However I did manage to make the tip vibrate quite badly on uneven surfaces, especially under icy conditions when I was not even going fast (around 60 kph). Too flexible for my weight I guess (6', 200 lb). A good utility ski for lighter guys or less aggressive person.

post #19 of 24

lott42 - Yes, I live in SLC in the winter.

For the ten years before moving - always stayed at the Holiday Inn Express Sandy (near the Auto Mall), just off W 10600 S.  Four years ago, this Holiday Inn was in very good condition.

Don't know about the HI Express in Midvale... but the location is good.  In fact, both locations are good for Little and Big Cottonwood Canyons.

I'm still interested in your LX82's.

post #20 of 24
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... I'm thinking of staying in Midvale at the Holiday Inn Express. Any thoughts on this place/location??

 

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Don't know about the HI Express in Midvale... but the location is good.  In fact, both locations are good for Little and Big Cottonwood Canyons...

 

While the MIdvale Holiday Inn Express is convenient drive-wise, the location itself is pretty boring.  There isn't much to do around there.  If it were me, I'd stay in Park City & make the commute to any of the resorts within driving distance.  But then again, I live in Park CIty during the winter. smile.gif

post #21 of 24
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lott42 - I'm still interested in your LX82's.

OK, I can bring them up with me to SLC and maybe we can meet up. I plan on skiing Alta/SB late Dec.

post #22 of 24

I'm old and 165lb. maybe a L7. Skied the LX82 in a 172 this past year in Big Sky in conditions from six inches of fresh to crud to days when it had not snowed in several days. My top speed is about 35mph and I had absolutely no stability problems. No big issues with stability in mixed conditions. They are more stable than their weight might suggest. Only know the Heads by reputation but their reputation is they are more damp and more burly.

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While the MIdvale Holiday Inn Express is convenient drive-wise, the location itself is pretty boring.  There isn't much to do around there.  If it were me, I'd stay in Park City & make the commute to any of the resorts within driving distance.  But then again, I live in Park CIty during the winter. smile.gif

I signed up with the "Ski Collective" ski pass so I'm using my free days at Alta/SB. I'm shooting for Midvale because my wife will have our rental car and I might need to take the bus up there. I'm led to believe that the bus station is a just a quick walk from the hotel.

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I signed up with the "Ski Collective" ski pass so I'm using my free days at Alta/SB. I'm shooting for Midvale because my wife will have our rental car and I might need to take the bus up there. I'm led to believe that the bus station is a just a quick walk from the hotel.

I meant "Mountain Collective" pass...

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