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anyone considering selling kastle lx82 in 164?

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skip this...i just demo'd the lx82 today at wb 'telus ski fest' at the 'kastle' tent and had

a chance to pick the brains of some of the attending kastle reps.

 

 while they're noticeably softer than the mx78

i still preferred the extra energy and grippiness and overall 'liveliness' of my mx78.

(mine are last yr's model with the dual sidecuts/radius vs current model with singular larger eliptical radius)

 

next wkend i'll demo the mx83 and fx84 as the demo tents will still be there.

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skip this...i just demo'd the lx82 today at wb 'telus ski fest' at the 'kastle' tent and had

a chance to pick the brains of some of the attending kastle reps.

 

 while they're noticeably softer than the mx78

i still preferred the extra energy and grippiness and overall 'liveliness' of my mx78.

(mine are last yr's model with the dual sidecuts/radius vs current model with singular larger eliptical radius)

 

next wkend i'll demo the mx83 and fx84 as the demo tents will still be there.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the MX83

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hey trekchick....yes i was most enthused about demoing the lx82 at the demo tents setup this wkend at wb (they'll be there next wkend too btw) ... the kastle rep said they'd be easier for an all day ski, less fatiguing on the legs than my mx78.

 

and yes they were softer and had a more relaxed speed with them...were good carvers too.....but when i went back onto the mx78 afterwords it was like 'ah, baby, you're back'...guess i'm not that bad a skier afterall ;)  the mx78 carves like a breadknife into a french bagette with great stability  ...I guess the added stiffness of the mx78 just transmits to that much more speed when you're on them....so to not have to go fast all the time--as these little maseratis love to fly--i just finish my turns more.

 

heck who says that demand for quality front side carvers is dead?!  definitely not me!...and with many packed out groomer days and/or only a few inches of fresh, the mx78 have fast become my 'go to' ski...sure i had the nordica steadfasts out too during this wb packed out wkend, but the kastle mx78 were certainly the preferred tool of choice.

 

and yes, I am interested in trying the mx83 next wkend, esp with their cut being different (eliptical vs dual radius)

 

the kastle rep says the mx83 is fast becoming a popular model of the mx crowd, with some mx78 customers stepping up into it

wanting a bit more of a versatile and slightly wider ski (to better handle crud), alongside the mx88 customers wanting something a bit slimmer  (don't know if he was just blowing smoke up my butt, but maybe starthaus and phil can weigh in here)....aside from that he was most informative on the different woods/construction used in each series and their intended purpose and how they rode.


Edited by canali - 4/16/13 at 2:58pm
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the mx83 is a superb, class-leading ski. All of what the 78 delivers but with a bit more width underfoot. I didn't get it into the bumps but it still retains the flat, straight edged tail that I find to be too catchy for bumps. If it had a rounded tail of the LX series, I would own one now.  FWIW- I skied it at the 173 and it was plenty. I am 6' 168. 

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Finndog, just curious if I were interested in the MX88, what length would you suggest, 158 or 168?  I am 5'5" (165cm) but 150#, and my specs kind of fall right in the middle.

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The 88 can be a lot of ski for some people; did you demo? If you are a very strong skier you could probably ski the 168 but you could ski the 158 as well and be more comfortable especially if you are not just skiing wide open runs or just big GS turns. Shorter will be better for bumps, SR turns and less work overall. I doubt the 158 would be any less stable except at uber speed. In my experience with Kastle's going shorter is better than longer due to their longer effective running length and contact points.  my guess is if you used the Kastle product finder it would put you on the 158.  You could post this up for some Kastle experts here like Dawgcatching, Phil and whiteroom.   

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Moving this thread from Swap to Gear Discussion because that's the direction its going. 

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Actually the Kastle product finder puts me on the 168.  On MX83 and LX82, 163 and 164 would fit me respectively.  As I don't get to demo at all and can only rely on ski reviews and forums, I really can't decide on which to get.  However, despite what the Kastle site says, I still think that my height and weight combo fits right in the middle and probably MX88 isn't the right ski for me.

 

I have read several reviews on the MX83 and none of those is as positive as its bigger brother.  Also maybe it is newer and the expectation is too high?  On the other hand, everything I read so far on the LX82 has been raving.

 

I don't really need another pair of carver but like most, I can always find an excuse to get another pair, when the price is right, to complement my 100+ waisted all-mountain skis.

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 What didn't you like about the performance envelope of the 83?  Seriously, its a superb ski. Unless you specifically want a rounded tail with the softer flex on the LX83, the MX83 is insanely good.  The 88 will offer more float and marginally better crud performance but we are talking about 83 vs 88.  I think you should consider what you want out of the ski. 

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I guess I don't really need another pair of skis but I wouldn't mind replacing my 4 years old Atomic Crimson. Basically I'd like to add a pair of carvers and I would really like to try Kastle, and that's why I was thinking about its most famous MX88 in the first place. Unfortunately I am under the impression that I am in between lengths and therefore considering MX83 and LX82 has become my next best option. In fact the skinnier waist is probably more suitable for my quiver as I already have an all-mountain skis.

From what I have read from the skinet and onthesnow websites, the LX82 have unbelievable reviews but the MX83 are just ok. I am concerned that the MX83 would be a bit too stiff for my liking, and I also have read that the LX82 is probably better off on bumps. Like I said I am still undecided...
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and i found the opposite w the mx78 vs lx82 (mx78 rocked while lx82 didnt' do it for me, despite wanting so)

(mx78 is grippier and more carvy, which i prefer)

...this is why it's important to demo first and take all reviews with a grain of salt

 

Finndog: why would you prefer the LX tail? just wondering on how it'd affect the ride?

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From what I have read from the skinet and onthesnow websites, the LX82 have unbelievable reviews but the MX83 are just ok. I am concerned that the MX83 would be a bit too stiff for my liking, and I also have read that the LX82 is probably better off on bumps. Like I said I am still undecided...

Edited by canali - 4/19/13 at 10:03am
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and i found the opposite w the mx78 vs lx82 (mx78 rocked while lx82 didnt' do it for me, despite wanting so)

 

...this is why it's important to demo first and take all reviews with a grain of salt

^^^^ This!

 

The up side to EpicSki is that you can communicate with the reviewer, which takes a lot of the questions out  of the purchase, but still, testing for yourself is best if its possible. 

 

To KSKLO - 

For me, the LX82 is a great ski that is idea for my weight and ski style, but then I'm a light weight.  I also skied the MX83 and would be just as happy with that as a front side ski.  Its stiffer but not at a cost.  

I would be happy with either ski acknowledging that they are two different feelings and like to be driven a bit differently. 

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and i found the opposite w the mx78 vs lx82 (mx78 rocked while lx82 didnt' do it for me, despite wanting so)

 

...this is why it's important to demo first and take all reviews with a grain of salt

 

Finndog: why would you prefer the LX tail? just wondering on how it'd affect the ride?

 

for bumps mostly.  The squared off flat tail just bites too much for my preferences. Its doable for proficient bumps skiers like Bumpfreaq for instance but the tail wants to hold the turn/radius and is catchy. I like a rounded off tail for easier release and drifting. 

 

This is why I asked what he wanted it for. the MX series is simply phenomenal but not all Kastle's are intended to ski the same or do the same things.  Even within a line, the flex and stiffness can vary like the difference between a MX78 and MX88 and the now retired LX series where the LX92 is different than the LX82.  

 

BUT all ski's will get different reviews based on who, what, where and why.......  

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but to be honest I bought the kastle mx78 withOUT demoing (so my bad at my earlier post to 'demo first') ...

 

i couldn't pass up my particular smoking deal:

found via craigslist a brand new pair in wrapper, brand new bindings (UNDRILLED still in box)

for a whopping $450 ..yes $450!eek.gif

(sold by a guy for his girlfriend: she's a boarder, did some photography gig

for a Kastle rep; and to thank her he gave her this pair of new skis bindings...but

since she's a boarder she asked her boyfriend to sell 'em on craiglist....lucky me) biggrin.gif

 

at first, however,  i didn't like 'em: i had to up my technique and ride them more assertively

I couldn't get lazy or out of position (''make 'em my bitches'' became my mantra)

...once I figured that out, THEN i started to really enjoy them and my ability and confidence went up accordingly,too

...they're my maserati ice skates for the hill.

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The 78 is a high-end performance machine but can be skied relaxed; its adaptive. It's a handful in bumps though for me with a tail that is stiffer than the mx88. Nothing matches the feel of a Kastle though.  I will again say I prefer them mounted +.5.

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but to be honest I bought the kastle mx78 withOUT demoing (so my bad at my earlier post to 'demo first') ...

 

i couldn't pass up my particular smoking deal:

found via craigslist a brand new pair in wrapper, brand new bindings (UNDRILLED still in box)

for a whopping $450 ..yes $450!eek.gif

(sold by a guy for his girlfriend: she's a boarder, did some photography gig

for a Kastle rep; and to thank her he gave her this pair of new skis bindings...but

since she's a boarder she asked her boyfriend to sell 'em on craiglist....lucky me) biggrin.gif

 

at first, however,  i didn't like 'em: i had to up my technique and ride them more assertively

I couldn't get lazy or out of position (''make 'em my bitches'' became my mantra)

...once I figured that out, THEN i started to really enjoy them and my ability and confidence went up accordingly,too

...they're my maserati ice skates for the hill.

The Mx83 will probably be a bit of overlap for you with the Mx78, but IMHO you'll love the Mx83 if you mastered the 78.  

I get the feeling that it would be fun to take some runs with you. biggrin.gif

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