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April powder a common occurance at stowe.

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for the 3rd april in a row stowe recieved at least a foot of snow in the first week. Sleeper day. 1 inch predicted overnight ended up being 7-12. Much less than that down low, much more than that up high.

 

Faceshots for what seems like the 100th time this season.

 

Photos courtesy of Scott Braeten

 

me loving the fact that everyone forgot its still ski season, I would have actually prefered a crowded quad today.

 

 

yep again always icey groomers in vermont

 

 

and when we get snow its always heavy

 

 

 

 

the locals of stowe do think you should keep flying out west to find powder :P.

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I don't see anything on the shoulder, but it must be there, need to zoom in a bit. 

post #3 of 22

Awesome stoke, Josh. Thanks for sharing!!

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You have always contended that you ski more powder days east vs west right?  I'm beginning to think you might be right.

I'm heading to Vail tonight 250 in snow YTD. Another mediocre year but better than last year but a big drop from 2 and 3 seasons ago when they went over 500 in for the year.

 

What is Stowe up to now? Probably close to what Vail has receivd.. You still get a litttle rain though right?

 

Maybe the difference between east and west the east with the rain and higher humidity not as consistent with snow conditions. But consider the source I don't ski at Stowe so don't know. I see your posts and you are making a believer out of me.

 

Maybe I am heading in the wrong direction for ski trips!

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You have always contended that you ski more powder days east vs west right?  I'm beginning to think you might be right.

I'm heading to Vail tonight 250 in snow YTD. Another mediocre year but better than last year but a big drop from 2 and 3 seasons ago when they went over 500 in for the year.

 

What is Stowe up to now? Probably close to what Vail has receivd.. You still get a litttle rain though right?

 

Maybe the difference between east and west the east with the rain and higher humidity not as consistent with snow conditions. But consider the source I don't ski at Stowe so don't know. I see your posts and you are making a believer out of me.

 

Maybe I am heading in the wrong direction for ski trips!

 

According to their website, Stowe is up to 280" on the year.

 

Yes, Stowe has "gotten" and "lost" the goods a number of times this season, due to a double whammy January thaw and it's rained a few times.  But it's been a remarkably good season in Northern Vermont this year.

post #6 of 22

I think many noticed the snow seasonal totals in many VT resorts got as much snow as many area out west. The difference being the big temperature swing (and worse, rain) in the east. So, even though VT gets a lot of snow, it lose it a lot faster than say Steamboat. 

 

And the fact a lot of the "powder" in VT are heavy wet glue. The true fluffy powder are relatively rare.

 

For us living in the east coast, it's really not too bad. I can pick and choose which weekend or which day to ski base on condition. So I avoid the worst coral reef days and hit up some of those rare powder days. It's only for visitors who travel a long way and book in advace that they got skunked often enough. I can see that can be frustrating! 

post #7 of 22

Nicely done!  I realize your a northern vt guy, but any idea how southern VT conditions are holding up?  I'm heading back east in two weeks and since it looks like a lot of resorts are extending closing dates, I'm hoping to get in some east coast turns for the first time in 11 years.  Might have to head further north if your current snow trend continues!

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But it's been a remarkably good season in Northern Vermont this year.

 

Actually, I'd say it's been pretty average. It's just that average is pretty good up here.

 

As for at_nyc's assertion that our snow is heavy and wet when we get it, I'll wait of r Josh to post his chart on that.

post #9 of 22

Our Ski School Director joined in the fun yesterday too.

 

 

post #10 of 22
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According to their website, Stowe is up to 280" on the year.

 

Yes, Stowe has "gotten" and "lost" the goods a number of times this season, due to a double whammy January thaw and it's rained a few times.  But it's been a remarkably good season in Northern Vermont this year.

 

stowe under reports really bad. just look at the pictures thats 7-12 inches of snow.

post #11 of 22
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stowe under reports really bad. just look at the pictures thats 7-12 inches of snow.

 

Yeah, I know.  I had a couple 4" days earlier this year that skied a whole lot deeper.

 

I wasn't sure if their webpage "season total" is based on the base, the snow stake, somewhere mid-mountain, etc.

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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post

You have always contended that you ski more powder days east vs west right?  I'm beginning to think you might be right.

I'm heading to Vail tonight 250 in snow YTD. Another mediocre year but better than last year but a big drop from 2 and 3 seasons ago when they went over 500 in for the year.

 

What is Stowe up to now? Probably close to what Vail has receivd.. You still get a litttle rain though right?

 

Maybe the difference between east and west the east with the rain and higher humidity not as consistent with snow conditions. But consider the source I don't ski at Stowe so don't know. I see your posts and you are making a believer out of me.

 

Maybe I am heading in the wrong direction for ski trips!

 

 

yeah it has for sure rained. but you and AT-NYC and everyone else would be wrong that our snow isnt fluflly. On average Stowe's snow is only 2 percent denser than Alta.  I would gladly go ski Alta or Jackson but Vail averages no more snow than stowe.  the other thing is the best days at stowe are the storm cycle days where its snowed a couple inches a day for a coupel days in a row and noone is skiing it.

 

 

 

 

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I think many noticed the snow seasonal totals in many VT resorts got as much snow as many area out west. The difference being the big temperature swing (and worse, rain) in the east. So, even though VT gets a lot of snow, it lose it a lot faster than say Steamboat. 

 

And the fact a lot of the "powder" in VT are heavy wet glue. The true fluffy powder are relatively rare.

 

For us living in the east coast, it's really not too bad. I can pick and choose which weekend or which day to ski base on condition. So I avoid the worst coral reef days and hit up some of those rare powder days. It's only for visitors who travel a long way and book in advace that they got skunked often enough. I can see that can be frustrating! 

 

 

yeah we can lose it faster than steamboat but steamboat with hard snow is just has hard as vermont with out any new snow. I was out in steamboat in januray when they had about 150 inches on the season so far. Lots of rocks. at least steamboat is fun to ski in any snow, just like stowe.

 

copper was literally the hardest snow I have skied all season. I kept getting the question woah got to be a big change in snow? which quite frankly I was sick of. I started responding yeah I need to get use to this icey snow.  We had easily double copper snow fall at that pint in time already..... steamboat was way better than copper. Its shame as well because Copper with good snow looks like it should rock. but alas Copper only averages 280 a year, and is up to 170 on the year.  to put in perspective just how scewed people perceptions are on where is good powder skiing is. Timberline, Wv received 223 inches of snow this year.  You would have more and deeper powder days skiing timberline this year than many resort in colorado, tahoe or New england.

 

 

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Nicely done!  I realize your a northern vt guy, but any idea how southern VT conditions are holding up?  I'm heading back east in two weeks and since it looks like a lot of resorts are extending closing dates, I'm hoping to get in some east coast turns for the first time in 11 years.  Might have to head further north if your current snow trend continues!

 

 

yeah can not speak of the southern new england places. But simply put the northern green mountain spine especially stowe collects the storms. If you here before we close(the 21st) I have 40 percent off vouchers for sure and possible free tickets plus a local guide. Bring and open mind and maybe even AT gear and we could at the very least harvest some great corn on good terrain.

 

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Yeah, I know.  I had a couple 4" days earlier this year that skied a whole lot deeper.

 

I wasn't sure if their webpage "season total" is based on the base, the snow stake, somewhere mid-mountain, etc.

 

 

the snow plot is at 3000 feet on the high road.

post #13 of 22
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yeah it has for sure rained. but you and AT-NYC and everyone else would be wrong that our snow isnt fluflly. On average Stowe's snow is only 2 percent denser than Alta.  I would gladly go ski Alta or Jackson but Vail averages no more snow than stowe.  the other thing is the best days at stowe are the storm cycle days where its snowed a couple inches a day for a coupel days in a row and noone is skiing it.

 

 

Fluffiest powder day I have ever had in 20 years of skiing has been at Stowe.  In April (several years ago now).

 

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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post

yeah it has for sure rained. but you and AT-NYC and everyone else would be wrong that our snow isnt fluflly. On average Stowe's snow is only 2 percent denser than Alta.  I would gladly go ski Alta or Jackson but Vail averages no more snow than stowe.  the other thing is the best days at stowe are the storm cycle days where its snowed a couple inches a day for a coupel days in a row and noone is skiing it.

 

 

Fluffiest powder day I have ever had in 20 years of skiing has been at Stowe.  In April (several years ago now).

 

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Okay, I'm happy about all the positive energy here, but you gotta have some objectivity about this. Where do you ski most often? Right. Stowe. It only makes sense that you'd have your best snow days there over time. I've had my best powder days at Saddleback. I go there pretty often, and can sometimes even decide the night before to head up if weather is looking good. That doesn't mean that Saddleback had better or more frequent powder than Alta or Steamboat. Pretty sure it didn't. The biggest brown trout I ever landed was out of a little stream a hundred yards down the street from a house I lived in for a while (within spitting distance of Mt. Mansfield, coincidentally). Does that mean that the stream was great trout water? No. It means that I fished there all the time and therefore was likely to get lucky sooner or later.

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Okay, I'm happy about all the positive energy here, but you gotta have some objectivity about this. Where do you ski most often? Right. Stowe. It only makes sense that you'd have your best snow days there over time. I've had my best powder days at Saddleback. I go there pretty often, and can sometimes even decide the night before to head up if weather is looking good. That doesn't mean that Saddleback had better or more frequent powder than Alta or Steamboat. Pretty sure it didn't. The biggest brown trout I ever landed was out of a little stream a hundred yards down the street from a house I lived in for a while (within spitting distance of Mt. Mansfield, coincidentally). Does that mean that the stream was great trout water? No. It means that I fished there all the time and therefore was likely to get lucky sooner or later.

 

 

we easily have more powder days than saddleback..... you guys have 212 inches this year and we have 280.  The averages are in our favor as well. with that said I am coming to check out saddleback this spring.

 

I still have more days at snowbird than stowe, notice how I am not argueing against utah. or even jackson, my real point was we on average we get more than alot of place out west with precieved more powder days.  If you going to go out to a low snow western resort over stowe lets not use snowfall as a reason when its not true.

 

If you want to start to really ruffle feathers how about this.

 

Jay - 355

Snowbird - 344

 

who would have thunk?

 

by the way most car accidents happen close to home :P

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Okay, I'm happy about all the positive energy here, but you gotta have some objectivity about this. Where do you ski most often? Right. Stowe. It only makes sense that you'd have your best snow days there over time. I've had my best powder days at Saddleback. I go there pretty often, and can sometimes even decide the night before to head up if weather is looking good. That doesn't mean that Saddleback had better or more frequent powder than Alta or Steamboat. Pretty sure it didn't. The biggest brown trout I ever landed was out of a little stream a hundred yards down the street from a house I lived in for a while (within spitting distance of Mt. Mansfield, coincidentally). Does that mean that the stream was great trout water? No. It means that I fished there all the time and therefore was likely to get lucky sooner or later.

 

Fair point; I do ski Stowe more then anywhere else (at least lately I have been), so yes, the odds would be that the fluffiest powder I've ever seen will have occurred at Stowe.

 

I was more agreeing with Josh's point that New England isn't always either gloppy "powder" or blue ice, and it usually skis much better then most people are willing to give it credit for.  Sure, New England can have bad days that are simply atrocious, but in my experience, that doesn't happen as often as the "legend" would make people believe.

 

And THAT said, I'm still not sure I'd travel to New England if there were other destinations available as well.  You, me and Josh all have an advantage -- we live here, and when it "gets good", we can get after it.

post #17 of 22

My best powder day is still my first one, which was at Cannon in NH.  Although my best powder run was in Casper Bowl at JH -- at least till my knee gave out.

 

A few years ago I tried a storm chasing strategy in the East, and it worked quite well.  I did learn though, not to go to Mad River on a powder day, even midweek.  Talk about powder competition!

post #18 of 22
Nice report josh! I was planning on skiing tux April 20 th but ur post has me thinking of heading up to Stowe especially if u would be willing to show us around.
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Nice report josh! I was planning on skiing tux April 20 th but ur post has me thinking of heading up to Stowe especially if u would be willing to show us around.

 

lets get closer to the 20th before you make that call. Tucks could be great, good or deadly. stowe could be great, good, Good if you like rain, great if you like snow, or all of our snow could melt out.

 

Its 2 weeks away nobodies knows what is going happen.

post #20 of 22

Sounds good. I'll be at Cannon(home mountain) for Bodefest this weekend and likely next weekend unless there's a reason to go elsewhere. Was up at Jay this past Saturday and the previous Saturday for left over POW. The glades were in excellent shape. Anyway I've enjoyed reading your reports and maybe will jopin you for some skiing!

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Sounds good. I'll be at Cannon(home mountain) for Bodefest this weekend and likely next weekend unless there's a reason to go elsewhere. Was up at Jay this past Saturday and the previous Saturday for left over POW. The glades were in excellent shape. Anyway I've enjoyed reading your reports and maybe will jopin you for some skiing!

I was at Jay on Tues and the glades were in FANTASTIC shapesmile.gif

 

Also a shout-out to Josh. I (and my 8yr old son) was at Stowe on Fri and Sat. Before going, I sent Josh a PM and asked about meeting up. Even though he doesn't know me from anyone, he not only responded, but took a bunch of his own time to show us around Stowe. He not only gave a tour, but he stopped on multiple occasions to give my son pointers on improving his skiing (which also will help me). When the day was over, we had dinner at a pretty great restaurant in Stowe with him and his friends. It was a pretty great day. Saturday was a better day than it otherwise would have been b/c we had a pretty good idea about the layout or Stowe, where to go, and how to ski it (and where not to go). So HUGE props to Josh for that.

 

Smarty

post #22 of 22

I just back from Wildcat ( I needed to show my face) no fresh snow to talk about but boy if felt like January 19 degrees and blowing . surface was firm but very edge able . Wildcat is planning to stay open until May 5th!!!!  

 

How was Stowe. great pictures  Tell Razor that Hank and the guys at Wildcat say Hi  !!!

 

 

Hank

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