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Around Munich on April 13?

post #1 of 18
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I will be in Munich for work next week and have Saturday, April 13 free. Anyone have information about whether any places will likely be worth skiing at that point? I won't have a car, but would be happy to train for 1-2 hours, if necessary.

 

I've never skied in Europe, if that makes a difference for any recommendations. In terms of ability / preference: I ski most things (without mandatory air) at Western US resorts (though not always well smile.gif), and prefer trees & terrain features (when possible).

 

Thanks in advance for help / info!

post #2 of 18

It's still cold in Germany (although that might change next week), so there are options.

 

I was in Garmisch over Easter weekend (ca. 90 minutes by train from Munich). Great conditions, but the main ski area there closed on Monday (pissing off all the local businesses in the process).

 

The Zugspitze glacier above Garmisch is still open, and is in great shape. The problem is only that it's a royal PITA to get to. You take the train to Garmisch and then change onto the cog railway, which takes another hour to get up to the glacier.

 

Lermoos was also open at Easter and in very good shape. Not sure when it's closing, though. Again you take the train to Garmisch and then change to another train for about 30 minutes. It's just over the Austrian border.

 

Another option might be Oberstdorf, about a 2 hour train ride from Munich. Can't give a personal report, but I imagine it's in good shape.

 

Any of the other options within 2 hours train ride from Munich are likely to be too low to either be open or in good shape, but I'm willing to be surprised.

post #3 of 18
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Thanks for the info --- too bad about Garmisch. Sounds like I should wait until Tuesday or Wednesday to see who might be closing after this weekend. I'll just keep my fingers crossed!

post #4 of 18

Unfortunately a switch goes off in people's heads around here after the Easter weekend, and nobody thinks of skiing anymore.

 

Lermoos closes this weekend, which is a real shame. As do most of the resports in Oberstdorf. So what remains open within a couple hours from Munich by train are the Zugspitze and the Nebelhorn sector in Oberstdorf.

 

I haven't skied Oberstdorf (but keep meaning to). I would guess only the top portion of the Nebelhorn will be open. It looks pretty limited on the piste map, but piste maps here can be very deceptive.

 

Zugspitze is higher and there is no good reason why it shouldn't still be completely open and in great shape.

 

A couple photos from last Monday:

 

 

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/berliner_jake/sets/72157633148708925/with/8613717343/

 

They certainly have the snow to remain open for a while yet.

 

The cog wheel train (Zugspitzebahn) departs Garmisch at 8:15 and arrives in the ski area at 9:30, so if you can get a train to Garmisch in time to make that train, you'll get a full day's skiing in. Give yourself 10 minutes to walk from the main train station to the cog wheel train station and buy your lift pass. You can rent gear once up at the ski area.

 

Certainly doable for the day.

 

EDITED TO ADD:

Zugspitze closes for the season on May 1st.

post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by ami in berlin View Post

Unfortunately a switch goes off in people's heads around here after the Easter weekend, and nobody thinks of skiing anymore.

 

That's what I was afraid of. Zugspitze looks wonderful, though, and the cog railway would certainly add to the experience! Any tips about it, or particular runs to take / avoid?

post #6 of 18

When does Sport Gastein  close?

 

Austria,  It's high!  Good skiing,  easy to get to by train.

 

I had fun when last I visited Munich.  It was April also,  closing week end IIRC. 

post #7 of 18

Sportgastein is great. But without a car it's a very long way from Munich.

 

As for runs on the Zugspitze, as you can see from the pictures, it's wide open. Traversing skier's left off the Sonnenkar lift, skier's right off the Weises Tal t-bar, and either direction off the Wetterwandeck lift opens up a lot of possibilities. There's nothing crazy steep, and really not many obsticles you have to look out for.

 

A 5 minute hike up skiers right from the Wetterwandeck lift gives you a great long powder run. Just make sure to cut back in to reach the Brunnental t-bar. Otherwise you'll be hiking back up to the ski area.

 

The groomers are dull and not very long.

 

For the most part, just open your eyes and look around. It's pretty straightforward.

post #8 of 18
From Munich there are several trains to Austria, and I would go for a glacier to maximize good snow (althought with a chance of bad visibility). The Kitzsteinhorn is easily accessible. If you are feeling adventurous, Kitzbuhel must be partially open and is one of the closest from Munich. See: http://www.skiingaustria.co.uk/glacier-skiing-in-austria.html
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by IceCookie View Post

From Munich there are several trains to Austria, and I would go for a glacier to maximize good snow (althought with a chance of bad visibility). The Kitzsteinhorn is easily accessible. If you are feeling adventurous, Kitzbuhel must be partially open and is one of the closest from Munich. See: http://www.skiingaustria.co.uk/glacier-skiing-in-austria.html

Munich to Zell am See ca. 3 hours + bus to Kitzsteinhorn ca. 30 minutes each way = totally unrealistic for a day trip.

 

Stubai glacier is slightly more realistic (2 hours to Innsbruck then a 1 hour bus), but not really.

post #10 of 18

oops, didnt read the part about day trip

 

I would say then leave day before, spend night or two, and make it a weekender instead of day trip. Better to start early and be first up there :)
 

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by IceCookie View Post

oops, didnt read the part about day trip

 

I would say then leave day before, spend night or two, and make it a weekender instead of day trip. Better to start early and be first up there :)
 

 

That would be nice, but I have meetings until late on Friday evening & then a relatively early flight on Sunday. So, I think that day trip is most reasonable this time (but hopefully I will be back regularly next winter :-)

post #12 of 18

I agree with IceCookie, it is certainly more comfortable (and you'll potentially get more skiing in) if you can manage to stay Friday night. There are trains from Munich to Garmisch until quite late (like midnight or so). Stay in a cheapish hotel (would think under €50 for a single) near the train station, get up early to catch the first train up the Zugspitze. Take some time after skiing to look around Garmisch, get a nice dinner, then get a late train back to Munich on Saturday. That saves you having to get up freakishly early on Saturday. Sounds like a good day out.

post #13 of 18

It's tough to ski around here this time of year WITHOUT a car. I live here, but coincidentally I'm flying out on April 13th... maybe we'll cross in the airport. 

 

If you ever come earlier, I highly recommend one of the bus deals, particularly to Hochzillertal. http://www.skibusmuenchen.de/ Can't beat the price or convenience. But the last trip was this past Saturday. :( 

 

Hochzillertal is a great option, about 1.5hrs by car/bus. But a real pain via public transportation. And the base is hard-frozen by this point, though you can still get a powder day. Hintertux is definitely still producing big powder days and big vertical... but it's a pain to get to even by car (2+ hrs). That said, it's my late/early season powder day-trip of choice. However, it's also one of the more dangerous places around here if you venture off-piste: big terrain, crevasse/slide risk, exposure. 

 

Zugspitze is beautiful, but as mentioned the pistes aren't worth even looking at if you're beyond an intermediate. The off-piste can provide some fun short runs*, but its very weather/skier dependent. If it's skied and hasn't snowed recently it can get very re-frozen. And it's expensive for what it is, a bit of a hassle to do as a day trip, and the most interesting stuff up there can slide/get you very lost if you venture too far away. That said, it might be your only real option given your transportation limitations. And the Garmisch Classic area probably doesn't have much snow or is closed by now. And anyway, the only real accessible off-piste is in the top/back (Alpspitze) and OK, but not mind-blowing. 

 

If you do go to Garmisch, make sure to check out the Partnachklamm hike (really cool gorge), and the Partenkirchen side of town, which is MUCH nicer and smaller than Garmisch proper and easily missed. 

 

That, or skip skiing and make a pilgrimage to Andechs Monastery/Brewery, and make sure to order the doppelbock dunkles bier and a schweinshaxn. And if you can swing it on Sunday-- I hear it's going to be sunny finally-- swing by the Chinese Tower for one of the season's first biergarten days. 

 

*There are actually some HUGE off-piste routes, but they're not even close to accessible without a guide or extremely knowledgeable local. And at least one variation requires a significant repel/abseil. 

post #14 of 18

Forecast for the Zugspitze:

Thursday: moderate snow

Friday: heavy snow

Saturday: decreasing snow and sun breaks

 

Doesn't get much better than that! Get after it!

post #15 of 18

So, did you go?

post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by ami in berlin View Post

So, did you go?

 

Unfortunately, no. Work stretched over until ~11 am on Saturday, at which point I figured that it would take too long to get up there. Sigh...  At least it was a beautiful day in Munich. Now I just need to make sure to schedule another work meeting there in January or February!

post #17 of 18
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Unfortunately, no. Work stretched over until ~11 am on Saturday, at which point I figured that it would take too long to get up there. Sigh...  At least it was a beautiful day in Munich. Now I just need to make sure to schedule another work meeting there in January or February!

 

We're going to have a gathering in St. Anton February 8-15 next year. If you can schedule a meeting the week before or after, you might be able to use it as a perfectly valid excuse to join us in Austria. biggrin.gif

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by CerebralVortex View Post

 

We're going to have a gathering in St. Anton February 8-15 next year. If you can schedule a meeting the week before or after, you might be able to use it as a perfectly valid excuse to join us in Austria. biggrin.gif

 

I'll start laying the groundwork ASAP! smile.gif

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