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Telluride vs Jackson Hole?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Can anyone who has been to both compare the steepness of the 2 mountains? Not the extreme terrain or double blacks, but the single blacks and blues? To date Telluride is the steepest mountain overall I've been to and I'm just wondering how the blacks and blues at Jackson compare to it. I consider myself an intermediate skier who is most comfortable on groomed terrain, but is starting to ski bumps more often and is happiest on low angle bumps/smallish bumps at this point. I don't mind steep if it's groomed. I'm trying to determine if Jackson Hole would be okay for me or if I should wait a few seasons (I'll never be able to ski extreme terrain so no point waiting until then since that would be forever). For a frame of reference I was fine on the groomed part of Revelation Bowl, Bushwacker, Plunge and pretty much each of the blues at Telluride.

 

You might wonder why someone of my level would bother thinking of going to JHMR---well I like to travel to different places and upon visiting Jackson in the spring a couple years ago, I decided it would be a goal of mine to ski there. I just have to determine if next year is the year or not.

Thx

post #2 of 16

You would be fine at Jackson Hole.

 

That being said, they don't groom much of the steep stuff at Jackson, in my limited experince. For example, I have never seen anything from the top of the tram goroomed. There are usually some groomers off every other lift.

 

I am sure some of the Jackson experts will chime in.

post #3 of 16

Hi, Miramar.

 

If you're okay on Plunge, you'll do fine at JH.  

 

We have a ton of groomed runs (with EXCELLENT grooming, IMO).  Some of our groomers are pretty steep compared to other mountains, but many of them you would be right at home with.  We also have a bunch of milder bump areas off the Casper and Apres Vous lifts.  

 

Thousands and thousands of skiers who are not as skilled as you come here and have a great time.  I think you would love it.

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

Oh great--thanks! I'll definitely consider Jackson for one of my trips West next season then!

post #5 of 16
We were in Jackson two weeks ago. While there is definitely a bigger jump in steepness from the limited green terrain to the blues than in most mountains, it sounds like you will be fine there. As Bob said, there is a ton of groomed terrain, from every lift except the tram. My wife was a beginner. I was nervous about taking her to Jackson, but after two days of ski school, she was skiing the blues off Après Vous! And enjoying skiing for the first time ever, after quite a few tries in the past 20 years just to humor me. (Kudos to the JHMR ski school!) The bonus is that you can also go to Grand Targhee for a day or two, which has tons of terrain that would also be appropriate, less than two hours from Jackson. And the views of the Tetons are magical.
post #6 of 16

I agree with Bob that Plunge and Bushwacker on Telluride's chair 9 are comparable to much of the groomed skiing on Apres Vous and Casper.   On Rendezvous Mt. groomed skiing is more limited, much of it catwalks linking sections of the mountain.  You don't have to be able to ski extreme lines or confined chutes to enjoy Rendezvous but it will help a lot of you can ski wide open ungroomed bowls with pitch similar to Plunge/Bushwacker.

 

I'll add my usual caveat about time of season (January, first half of February is best), particularly if you'll be spending more time on the Apres Vous side.  Apres Vous has a lower peak elevation and faces due south.

post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks---timing wise I'd have to go the first weekend in March. Unfortunately I always do another trip end of Jan/early Feb and I can't really deviate from those dates for that trip for a variety of reasons, so the Jackson trip (or wherever) has to happen early March. The only other option might be early January but that would be less than ideal since I very rarely get to ski at all in December so I'd be going into the Jackson trip without having skied for a year. Not good.

I think I'll have to take my chances in early March.

post #8 of 16

They groom Plunge now?  Certainly didn't when I was there 23 years ago.  I guess I can throw out my T-shirt now that it's not such a big deal to get down it.  

post #9 of 16

March is when I've done all my Jackson trips this year.  No complaints, I just take what the hill gives me.  2 great days, one sucky day.

 

JH has groomed a few steep runs this year that don't normally get smoothed out.  Thunder and Downhill come to mind - search the posts for mention of them and you'll find some amusing dialog.

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post

I agree with Bob that Plunge and Bushwacker on Telluride's chair 9 are comparable to much of the groomed skiing on Apres Vous and Casper.   On Rendezvous Mt. groomed skiing is more limited, much of it catwalks linking sections of the mountain.  You don't have to be able to ski extreme lines or confined chutes to enjoy Rendezvous but it will help a lot of you can ski wide open ungroomed bowls with pitch similar to Plunge/Bushwacker.

 

I'll add my usual caveat about time of season (January, first half of February is best), particularly if you'll be spending more time on the Apres Vous side.  Apres Vous has a lower peak elevation and faces due south.

 

Sigh.

 

You're saying that Upper Amphitheater, Upper Gros Ventre, Ranger, Cirque, Laramie Bowl, Grand, Thunder, Rag Run, Rendezvous Trail, Tramline, Gannett, and Bivouac constitute "limited" skiing?

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Miramar View Post

Thanks---timing wise I'd have to go the first weekend in March. Unfortunately I always do another trip end of Jan/early Feb and I can't really deviate from those dates for that trip for a variety of reasons, so the Jackson trip (or wherever) has to happen early March. The only other option might be early January but that would be less than ideal since I very rarely get to ski at all in December so I'd be going into the Jackson trip without having skied for a year. Not good.

I think I'll have to take my chances in early March.

 

Early March is just fine.  

 

You can listen to one person who harps about "late-season" skiing at JH or you can listen to the thousands of people who come here in March (and April!) and have a fantastic time.

post #12 of 16
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You're saying that Upper Amphitheater, Upper Gros Ventre, Ranger, Cirque, Laramie Bowl, Grand, Thunder, Rag Run, Rendezvous Trail, Tramline, Gannett, and Bivouac constitute "limited" skiing?

 Not for you or me.  But here's the OP's self described ski comfort zone.

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I consider myself an intermediate skier who is most comfortable on groomed terrain, but is starting to ski bumps more often and is happiest on low angle bumps/smallish bumps at this point. I don't mind steep if it's groomed.

And if we're going to encourage him to get off the groomed and explore a little bit, it's a disservice to encourage him to come in March when the skills required are often those of 50+ day local experts. Terrain that is easy in packed powder can be extremely strenuous in wet spring snow and potentially dangerous in refrozen coral reef conditions.  First time visitors to Jackson are very likely to be expanding their terrain limits. That's one of its key attractions.  We should be encouraging them to do so when the snow conditions will be a help and not a hindrance to that objective.

 

Tell me, how was the skiing at Jackson during my very warm Snowbird timeshare week March 9-16 this year?  Were the Lower Faces even open, and if so how many would have wanted to ski them?

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 

cool, thanks

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post

 Not for you or me.  But here's the OP's self described ski comfort zone.

And if we're going to encourage him to get off the groomed and explore a little bit, it's a disservice to encourage him to come in March when the skills required are often those of 50+ day local experts. Terrain that is easy in packed powder can be extremely strenuous in wet spring snow and potentially dangerous in refrozen coral reef conditions.  First time visitors to Jackson are very likely to be expanding their terrain limits. That's one of its key attractions.  We should be encouraging them to do so when the snow conditions will be a help and not a hindrance to that objective.

 

Tell me, how was the skiing at Jackson during my very warm Snowbird timeshare week March 9-16 this year?  Were the Lower Faces even open, and if so how many would have wanted to ski them?

The skiing that week was great like it always is.  I teach students who describe themselves just like the OP how to safely ski ungroomed terrain at JH almost every day of the season.

 

Don't listen to the actuary....  He has no soul.

post #15 of 16

The limited Blue runs open during my Xmas trip were totally lame, boring, 'cept for those ungroomed, they were shorter and steeper.

 

IIRC, Sun Valley is way steeper than JH, strictly talking about Blue groomers???

 

Miramar, GO to JH, you'll enjoy it as much or more than Tride (but not the town, Tride is numero 1).

post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by gpaulski View Post
 

The limited Blue runs open during my Xmas trip were totally lame, boring, 'cept for those ungroomed, they were shorter and steeper.

 

IIRC, Sun Valley is way steeper than JH, strictly talking about Blue groomers???

 

Miramar, GO to JH, you'll enjoy it as much or more than Tride (but not the town, Tride is numero 1).

 

I'm not sure I understand this post.  Sun Valley has great cruising trails, long and steep and really fun.  No way are they steeper than the Groomers at JH.

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