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post #1 of 19
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Hi all,

After some hours reading posts here I realized that I'm completely lost in deciding what skis would fit my needs. Obviously some advice from here would serve much better). It would be so nice if someone helps me.

 

I've broken my Atomic Metron B2 which I had for 7 years. When I rented Rossi Experience 88 the next day, I was absolutely shocked with the difference in performance. I think I was skiing with an idiotic smile on my face all this day) I finally learned what is carving! ) Unfortunately it became too windy the next days and I didn't have an opportunity to ski on fresh snow. Everything off-piste became hardened and icy but even when I tried in these conditions the skis were solid and gave me confidence.

 

But first of all I like fresh snow, powder, skiing in the trees. So this is my first priority. The second one is a versatility as I need only one pair of all purpose skis. I'm skiing mostly in European Alps, 75% off-piste (which are maybe half - fresh snow and half - everything else) and 25% - slopes. I have only a couple of weeks skiing a year, hope to increase this figure). I really don't know how advanced I am. I usually ski in a freeride group with a guide, and I'm somewhere in the middle here close to most experienced members. I like skiing fast (sometimes I force myself to go slower) and maybe a little aggressively. (This year I loaded the "Ski Tracks" app onto my mobile and it shows the history. My average max speed on the slopes was about 40 mph. Don't know if that makes sense.) I'm 5'10" height and 176 lbs weight.

 

Sorry for too many words,

Thanks if you've read it till this point)

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

Alex


Edited by alekssa - 4/1/13 at 4:45pm
post #2 of 19

What is your average speed o nthe slopes...not your average MAX speed?

 

 

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But first of all I like fresh snow, powder, skiing in the trees. So this is my first priority. The second one is a versatility as I need only one pair of all purpose skis. I'm skiing mostly in European Alps, 75% off-piste (which are maybe half - fresh snow and half - everything else) and 25% - slopes.

 

Once I know that I'll have what I think are a few good suggestions biggrin.gif

post #3 of 19

Hi, welcome to Epic - I'd think for the alps, at your size and over half off-piste trees, that something around 88-95 mm would be great. If you have the $$, Kastle FX94's or next season's lighter Stockli Stormrider 95's would be great choices. If you want a reasonably priced ski, then the Blizzard Bushwacker, Dynastar Outland 8.7, or Elan Apex are solid all-arounds with special strength in variable snow and bumps. 

 

There are reliable reviews of all of these skis available in Gear Reviews and the Member's Gear Reviews forum, suggest a search, and after you have read up and have specific questions, like ski feel etc., we can help. 

 

You going to the Olympics?

post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by Dane View Post

What is your average speed o nthe slopes...not your average MAX speed?

 

 

 

Once I know that I'll have what I think are a few good suggestions biggrin.gif

 

Dane, I'm afraid I don't have a direct answer as the app shows evarage speed including time waisted on stops. Based on speed graphs the evarage is about 20-25 mph. But.. to be honest I'm not fond of skiing on slopes so much.. perhaps because I was never really capable to curve.

 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Hi, welcome to Epic - I'd think for the alps, at your size and over half off-piste trees, that something around 88-95 mm would be great. If you have the $$, Kastle FX94's or next season's lighter Stockli Stormrider 95's would be great choices. If you want a reasonably priced ski, then the Blizzard Bushwacker, Dynastar Outland 8.7, or Elan Apex are solid all-arounds with special strength in variable snow and bumps. 

 

There are reliable reviews of all of these skis available in Gear Reviews and the Member's Gear Reviews forum, suggest a search, and after you have read up and have specific questions, like ski feel etc., we can help. 

 

You going to the Olympics?

 

Beyond, thanks a lot for your suggestions. I feel the same about the ski waist mm. I'm going to see the reports as you recommended. Price could important, maybe not. I will see on ebay, so it could be not a price but an availability question. 

 

Olympics - don't really know. Maybe if I have a company,.. but you know, the tickets are quite pricy.. and) I don't like watching so much, I even don't have a TV! Skiing yourself is much better, right?)))

post #5 of 19

Anything between 95+ to 100 under foot should do it.   The classic shape of 132-98-121, with a slight tip rocker is a good start. Subtle tip rocker provides extra float in the powder and effortless smooth turn initiation on the hard pack. This classic shape offered by many in the ski industry. There is a reason that every major ski brand offers a 98 underfoot ski with very similar dimensions, its the size and shape of the ski that gets the job done!

 

I ski on a pair of 95 under foot with a slight tip rocker. And like them a lot.  But I think for areas like Chamonix I would prefer my 110/115 underfoot skis.  "75% off-piste (which are maybe half - fresh snow and half - everything else) and 25% - slopes."

 

For what you have described I am really enjoying my Dynafit Hauscaran.

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thank you Dane! mm.. do you believe that nearly all skis of this classic shape would be close to each other? maybe if you bring some ski names that would help also! Dynafit Hauscaran is gorgeous, I'm afraid too fat for me 

post #7 of 19

I've not skied the Eastern Alps, only in Chamonix and the Western US and Canada.

 

The skis you mentioned are :

 

Atomic Metron B2 133/76/116

Rossi Experience 88 135-88-124

 

I wouldn't consider either "all mountain" skis today.  Or either for 70% off piste.  Easy to see why the Rossi will carve with that side cut though.

 

95 to 100mm under foot with a little tip rocker has become the norm with my friends. (most are professionals or have been) Tails that aren't hugely rockered is good.

I've recently skied: 74 82 90 95 99 105 112 115 117 138 from several different brands. K2 and Rossignol specifically 

 

This is what I have kept:

 

LA Sportiva Lo5 95mm  *188cm

Dynafit Huascaran 112mm  *177cm (with TLT Performance. boots)

Dynafit Huascaran 115mm  *196cm

DPS 112 RPC 115mm *192cm

 

The other skis with Dynafit One TF boots.

 

The skis I like the best for what you describe...or at least how I envision what you have described is the 90-95 range until recently.  I am now skiing on 112-115mm under foot and enjoy them even more.  My emphasis is off piste but I like to ski lifts as well on the same gear.  I am using pretty light weight ski and not the "traditional" brands.  But I have yet to be dissappointed and am really enjoying my choices.  I put a lot of time into picking this particular quiver of skis.  Rockered skis will ski short for their size and are exceptionally easy to ski on.  I wouldn't worry about the extra width.  If you stay under 115mm under foot  you'll never notice it....except in a very good way in less than idea snow..

 

Here is a review of a few in that 90/100mm  size range.  Some I have skied some I have not.  Obviously Wild Snow is focused on off piste skiing.  But worth a read I think fro what you are asking.  Some of these skis are amazing cross over rigs from off piste to soft snow on piste..

http://www.wildsnow.com/6957/ski-test-review-backcountry-skiing/


Edited by Dane - 4/2/13 at 9:47pm
post #8 of 19
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Dane,  thank you for a bunch of information. I was working on it) Have read a lot again. The review with the link you gave me is great but the choice was narrowed with skis for touring, and this criteria is not important for me.

Finally I agreed with someone said on the forum that actually there are not many days of really fresh snow. I rarely ski deep snow. At the same time I wouldn't like to ski on slopes with extreme cautiousness. So your advise about the size was perfect) I learned that your range of skis is great. Perhaps I will switch on wider skis quite soon.

 

Based on reviews I tried to compose a short list, probable winners first:

 

K2 Hardside 181/131-98-119

Volkl Mantra 177/132-98-118

Kastle FX94 176/128-94-117

Kastle BMX98 178/126-98-116

Stockli Stormrider 95 174(183)/131-95-120

BD Verdict 180/134-102-121

 

So.. would be happy to have some ideas on it and, maybe something to add, or info that would help me deciding. 


Edited by alekssa - 4/4/13 at 4:53pm
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

Finally Bonafide vs Hardside based on tests and reviews. 

I can't also decide on the length - 173/174 or 180/181. Someone said Bonafide could be hard to turn in trees with lack of speed, so may be shorter length makes sense.

 

Or something wider..

post #10 of 19
hardsides and bonafides are totally diferent skis.
the k2s do not hold on firm, and they ski dead, not a fun ski.
bonafides are great.

in trees youre going to pivot the ski anyway, so I don't think you need shorter.
post #11 of 19
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I already decided for the Bonafides but then I didn't find them available in stocks. Then I started thinking of Hardsides, switched to Sidestashes, and finally changed my mind after reading reviews and reports. Now I'm almost ready for Cochise 185 or Line Influence 105 (179 or 186?). The first is quite forgiving, easy and fun; some reviewers prefer them compared to Bonafides; the second is said to be demanding (I like the idea to have a gear to improve my skills) and is noticably less expensive. Both are versatile, stable in firm and fit my expectations if my understanding is correct. 

post #12 of 19

I owned both but now only own the Cochise.  I loved the Influence 105's and didn't find them that demanding.  However the Cochise is more versatile.  Can't go wrong with either.

post #13 of 19
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I owned both but now only own the Cochise.  I loved the Influence 105's and didn't find them that demanding.  However the Cochise is more versatile.  Can't go wrong with either.

Mmm.. You are 44, 5'10", 185lbs and ski Cochise 177. Don't you feel it short? I'm asking because I really spent time thinking of the length of it for me and decided for the 185. And I'm 39, 5'10" 176lbs.

post #14 of 19

Uhh, I'm having trouble making sense out of you now wanting a Cochise. Not saying it isn't a nice ski that most people will enjoy, just saying that it's an odd choice for a one ski quiver for the snow conditions you'll be skiing, the terrain, your professed enjoyment of the Experience 88 (a fairly forgiving and moderate flex ski), and given that you're not a big guy, and you say you don't ski very fast. th_dunno-1[1].gif In fact, your "short list" seems to be all over the map, in terms of flex, weight, and best fit to an individual skier. And then the Cochise. Are you just frantic to buy a ski? Just sayin'...

post #15 of 19
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Are you just frantic to buy a ski? Just sayin'...

This is what I started from, you brought me to the feeling that I'm lost again) Look, I'm skiing 30% pow and 40% mixed snow (accessible via ski lift) and 30% groomed terrain (if everything else is not quite available or if I have to ski with someone like my daughter). As I said, I really enjoy being off the slopes, and this is my bias. At the same time I want to feel comfortable and enjoy carving on the slopes if I have to ride them. 

Then, I found out (based on reviews) that 98mm skis are really good groomers, and 88mm skis compared to them are just better on ice and at high speed through the crud etc. but not so much (please don't bite me here for generalizing, I'm just trying to bring the idea). 

Then, I found some reviewers said that some 105-108 skis are quite similar on the groomers compared to the 98, like Cochise-Bonafide, Sidestash-Hardstash and Influence105-Prophet98, but will definitely bring more fun in backcountry. And this is where I was taken, it made me believe 105-108 would be best for me. 

I cannot demo anything now, and I don't think it would help me. I'm rather ready to ski anything than to spend time demoing. And prices are so cut down now. 

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by alekssa View Post

Mmm.. You are 44, 5'10", 185lbs and ski Cochise 177. Don't you feel it short? I'm asking because I really spent time thinking of the length of it for me and decided for the 185. And I'm 39, 5'10" 176lbs.

 

No I am 44 5'6" and weigh 165.  So yes the Cochise 177 fits me perfect.  My sweet spot on ski length is 176-179 depending on skis.  I honestly don't look at many skis outside that size.  I do own the Kastle LX82 in 172 and for what I use that ski for the 172 is the perfect size.  But all my other skis are in the 176-178 length.

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by alekssa View Post

This is what I started from, you brought me to the feeling that I'm lost again) Look, I'm skiing 30% pow and 40% mixed snow (accessible via ski lift) and 30% groomed terrain (if everything else is not quite available or if I have to ski with someone like my daughter). As I said, I really enjoy being off the slopes, and this is my bias. At the same time I want to feel comfortable and enjoy carving on the slopes if I have to ride them. 

Then, I found out (based on reviews) that 98mm skis are really good groomers, and 88mm skis compared to them are just better on ice and at high speed through the crud etc. but not so much (please don't bite me here for generalizing, I'm just trying to bring the idea). 

Then, I found some reviewers said that some 105-108 skis are quite similar on the groomers compared to the 98, like Cochise-Bonafide, Sidestash-Hardstash and Influence105-Prophet98, but will definitely bring more fun in backcountry. And this is where I was taken, it made me believe 105-108 would be best for me. 

I cannot demo anything now, and I don't think it would help me. I'm rather ready to ski anything than to spend time demoing. And prices are so cut down now. 

 

you're getting very hung up (IMO). if the key is to buy now, when prices are good, then you need to prioritize what you want and what you're willing to compromise on.

I always suspect when someone says 'something' is not an all-mtn ski. It really depends...

There are a lot of really good 'all-mtn' skis out there. From manufacturers not mentioned.

And then decide what characteristics fit best to what you mostly ski... If you have to ski variable conditions, hard to somewhat soft conditions, not a lot of deeper pow, then you should lean to skis that do that well. Don;t get hung up on your perceived 'image', Realkity can be a ball-buster, but generally makes a better mistress.

Not saying the suggestions in here won't be fun skis, but they are all over the place.

Pick a width, pick a profile, pick a 'camber' (camber, early rise, rocker) then narrow the ones you can get your hands on and can afford, then pick a length - pick a ski. And then learn to ski it well.

88, 98, 108, 118 - it's all a load of sh&t - pick a ski and learn to use the tool.

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Hi, welcome to Epic - I'd think for the alps, at your size and over half off-piste trees, that something around 88-95 mm would be great.

I agree with Beyond and there are so many good skis that fit into that range.  If like myself, you really can't demo the skis that interest you, it is good to search in this forum and try and find positive reviews from guys that are your size.  Rarely has doing my research this way failed me.  As your in Europe, you should be able to fine a pair of Movement Source skis very easily.  I am your height, but 30 lbs heavier, so I ski them in a 185.  For you, the 177 may be the ticket.  Look into them, as they are the ski you want.  http://shop.snowshepherd.co.uk/Ski-Tests-2010-/-2011/Movement-Source-Review-2012

post #19 of 19
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Thanks everyone. Maybe now I'll go for Prophet 98 or Nordica Enforcer. BMX98 - expensive even now. But it seems I'll take Bonafide when the next season starts, with no benefit from current price reductions. This is the choice I feel most comfortable with.

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