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New Skis challenging me in the bumps

post #1 of 10
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Got my new 2013 Prophet 90's (186) about 10 days ago and have had them out three times so far.

 

For the last 7 years I've been on K2 Public Enemy in 179 length.

 

I liked the PE's a lot.  I really love the Prophets based on the three days I've been on them. Compared to the PE's they are much livelier. Short radius turns are snappy and energetic, with the ski popping out of the turn.  I've also found I have to be more centered in my stance on the Prophets, rather than pressuring the front of the ski more like I did on my PEs.

 

I'm not goign to claim to be a great bump skier, but I do enjoy them unless they're icy.  But so far I've had kind of hard time with these skis in bumps.  I'm not even sure how to describe the difficulty - I just seem to find them cumbersome, find myself feeling like I"m going to trip over my own feet.  Maybe it's that the PE's were easier to just slip/slide without an edge wanting to carve, whereas the Prophets seem to want to carve as soon as they're on edge? 

 

I think the Prophets are stiffer too - and seem to rebound with more energy like I said.

 

Any thoughts?  Should I be changing my approach at all (I'm not a zipperline skier, but pretty flowing in the bumps, trying to not be in the troughs as I find my line down)? Do I just need time to get used to the new skis and the way they feel?

post #2 of 10

What you are feeling is the full contact length of the Prophet and that is making it feel catchy. The PE was softer and had a rounder rise in the tip and more of a turned up tail along with a more balanced flex. Yes, there are more compliant flexed skis like the upcoming The Ski by Scott which is one of the best skis in this category skis for skiing bumps. Option two...lessons, lessons on how to ski ski bumps better. 

post #3 of 10

I went from 179's to 184's a few years ago, and for a while when skiing bumps I kept bumping the tails on the mogul behind me as I was turning.  I got used to it after a few days, but when it was happening it wasn't good - I would start to turn from the fall line toward one side, and catching the tail would stop my turn while I was pointed straight down the slope.  Several hilarious accelerations and crashes occurred.  Maybe you're experiencing something similar.
 

post #4 of 10
Practice. Find a more low angle set of moguls and take the turns slowly . Keep feet together and try an exaggerated unweight move, like a hop turn to help you pivot. Especially if you were used to your old skis slip point for 7 years, the new sharp edges can make you feel clumsy.

(Not an expert, but also going through the same process with my relativelt new skis)
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the feedback.

 

Phil - yes, catchy is exactly how I'd describe the Prophet compared to coming off the PEs.  Agreed that a few bump skiing lessons is probably in order.  Will have to wait for next year - our season in central upstate NY is coming to a quick end here soon and I don't see getting away for a trip in the near future.

 

jrbd - that is pretty much what I experienced also.  

 

Ray - yep, practice (and a few lessons as Phil suggested) is my plan.  On the lower angle bumps of my home mountain I've had some good runs with the Prophets after some initial challenge.  Yesterday we went to a new place for a day and with one some steeper, deeper, more sharply defined bump runs (as opposed to more rounded bumps) I was definitely struggling a bit.

 

Thanks again - wish we had more season left here. In all other conditions I'm loving the Prophets. 

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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post

Got my new 2013 Prophet 90's (186) about 10 days ago and have had them out three times so far.

 

For the last 7 years I've been on K2 Public Enemy in 179 length.

 

I liked the PE's a lot.  I really love the Prophets based on the three days I've been on them. Compared to the PE's they are much livelier. Short radius turns are snappy and energetic, with the ski popping out of the turn.  I've also found I have to be more centered in my stance on the Prophets, rather than pressuring the front of the ski more like I did on my PEs.

 

I'm not goign to claim to be a great bump skier, but I do enjoy them unless they're icy.  But so far I've had kind of hard time with these skis in bumps.  I'm not even sure how to describe the difficulty - I just seem to find them cumbersome, find myself feeling like I"m going to trip over my own feet.  Maybe it's that the PE's were easier to just slip/slide without an edge wanting to carve, whereas the Prophets seem to want to carve as soon as they're on edge? 

 

I think the Prophets are stiffer too - and seem to rebound with more energy like I said.

 

Any thoughts?  Should I be changing my approach at all (I'm not a zipperline skier, but pretty flowing in the bumps, trying to not be in the troughs as I find my line down)? Do I just need time to get used to the new skis and the way they feel?


From the blurbs I read on the P90, and seeing recent Line models that friends ski, it's no surprise it sucks in bumps, regardless of your skills. Line calls it a powerful all mountain ski, powerful in the tail, titanol, blah, blah, blah. Recall Line made the bruiser called the Mothership. Heavy, stiff, dead. You could get something like an S3 which would be much like your PE's, which, by the way, must have been worn out, giving them a softer flex. Any new ski will have more rebound energy.

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Is the mount point very different between the PEs and your new skis?  I have some PE 179s, older 80mm ones that really do ski shorter.  If possible, try moving the bindings back a little on them.

post #8 of 10

I have the P90 in 179 and they do fine in the bumps when I'm skiing well.  I do find that they don't do as well when I'm tired and/or skiing poorly.

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

The Prophets are mounted mid-point, I think the PE's are +1.

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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post

The Prophets are mounted mid-point, I think the PE's are +1.


OIC, ya, maybe try them up some if you could do so .. i.e. on a track.  Otherwise I can see a shorter ski at +1 being quicker in the bumps than a longer one on the line.  I suggested moving the bindings back to shorten the tails and prevent them hooking so much.  My bump skis are 179s at +1.5.  Anything longer i'd probably prefer at -1 though.  Not worth extra holes to guess wildly though hahaha..

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