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Eastern Skiers:Stop the Search!! The quest is over. I have found the Holy Grail !!!

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In my "Indiana Jones" like quest to find the perfect Eastern all mountain ski, I have gone through many models over the past several years. I am not sure where everyone else skis, but my day in the East usually involves a bit of ice. I have always gravitated towards a race carver in an effort to deal with the ice.

 

Here is a partial list of some of the skis:

 

Head Supershape Magnum

Head Supershape Titan

Fischer Progressor 9+

Volkl AC 40

Nordica Jet Fuel

Dynastar Contact 4x4

 

The the main problem is I love to ski bumps . The aformentioned skis all were useable in bumps but far from perfect due their stiffness. There was always the trade-off between bumps and ice performance .  The result has been that the people at the consignment sale for our local ski shop know me on a first name basis . wink.gif

 

 I recently caught the end of the season sale at our local ski shop and bought the Kastle MX 83. I know a lot has been said about this ski,but it is really the perfect combination for Eastern skiing.


 

We recently had a spring skiing day where we had the weather of three seasons all in one day . It started with ice and snow showers in the morning and then progressed to 47 degrees, sun and large soft bumps.

 

This ski was able to make slalom turns on Eastern blue ice in the morning.

 

When it  slushy, you could ski in a more neutral position, and without pushing the ski you could easily skid and have a more docile ski that was not edgey. I was able to surf over the clumps of slush.

 

The tip is relatively soft and skiing bumps was a blast. 

 

Honestly, In 35 years of skiing I have never skied a ski that was this good.  They have the flex perfect.  The tip is relatively soft and sucks you into the turn.  The tail is strong and finishes the turn.  Big sweet spot, I think anyone could use this ski.  For a more advanced skier the ski comes alive when pushed.  It reaches a point, when the ski is pressured, that the ski starts pushing back and really feels like a race ski.

 

We skied everything that day:ice, steep, bumps and fast. With the changing conditions that day it was a good test for the varied abilities of this ski. Here is the GPS from part of the afternoon.

 

 

I don't know how they accomplished this all in one ski but it is like having a race carver, a freeride ski and a mogul ski all in one. 

 

Our season is coming to an end in the East.  I am glad I got this last day in and do not have to wonder all summer how this ski feels.

 

Does anyone want to buy a pair of lightly used Dynastar Contact 4x4's?biggrin.gif


Edited by Dauntless - 3/31/13 at 8:41am
post #2 of 29

I feel the same way about my MX88's, though I wish they were a little bit more flexible in the bumps. I'm thinking of adding the FX94's for when I'm skiing in No. Vermont. 

post #3 of 29
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I have skied the FX 94.  Despite its width, it was relatively quick and pretty good in bumps.

post #4 of 29
Your height, weight, and ski size tested, please? Thanks.
post #5 of 29
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I am 5' 11" and weigh 185 lbs.  With a 10 cm jump between ski sizes in this ski, I bought the 173 rather than the 183.  I agonized over the decision, but I thought the 173 would be quicker.

post #6 of 29

I'd rather have the "race carver, a freeride ski and a mogul ski".

 

I don't care how well it may work in each of these venues, a dedicated ski will do it even better...

post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I'd rather have the "race carver, a freeride ski and a mogul ski".

 

I don't care how well it may work in each of these venues, a dedicated ski will do it even better...

 

And if you want to ski groomers for a while after some moguls?  Just run down to the car and switch skis?  I'd rather have a very versatile ski and not worry about picking the right ski on a given day. 

post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I'd rather have the "race carver, a freeride ski and a mogul ski".

 

I don't care how well it may work in each of these venues, a dedicated ski will do it even better...

You know as an Eastern skier that one run greatly varies from the next.  One run ice, next run possibly bumps.

post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I'd rather have the "race carver, a freeride ski and a mogul ski".

 

I don't care how well it may work in each of these venues, a dedicated ski will do it even better...

You know as an Eastern skier that one run greatly varies from the next.  One run ice, next run possibly bumps.


This. May have to check out those skis.

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post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by TheArchitect View Post

And if you want to ski groomers for a while after some moguls?  Just run down to the car and switch skis?  I'd rather have a very versatile ski and not worry about picking the right ski on a given day. 

 

Well then for you an all mountain ski might be the best compromise.

 

This time of year I ski a hard snow carver for the first few hours until the sun/temps soften up the snow. Then I'll switch to a 95-105mm crudbuster for the mashed potatos and corn till days end. Yes, you can surly do it on one pair of skis but for me it's more fun my way. yahoo.gif

post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

 

Well then for you an all mountain ski might be the best compromise.

 

This time of year I ski a hard snow carver for the first few hours until the sun/temps soften up the snow. Then I'll switch to a 95-105mm crudbuster for the mashed potatos and corn till days end. Yes, you can surly do it on one pair of skis but for me it's more fun my way. yahoo.gif

 

Well, that's why I have the MX88. I'm only thinking about adding a FX94 for skiing trees and bumps at Sugarbush, Stowe and Jay Peak.  The rest of the time I'd be on my MX88's.

post #12 of 29
Thread Starter 

Now that I have had a sip of the Kastle cool-aid, the FX 94 may be a great second ski for me also.

post #13 of 29

It's VERY tasty, ain't it?

post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post

 

In my "Indiana Jones" like quest to find the perfect Eastern all mountain ski, I have gone through many models over the past several years. I am not sure where everyone else skis, but my day in the East usually involves a bit of ice. I have always gravitated towards a race carver in an effort to deal with the ice.

 

Here is a partial list of some of the skis:

 

Head Supershape Magnum

Head Supershape Titan

Fischer Progressor 9+

Volkl AC 40

Nordica Jet Fuel

Dynastar Contact 4x4

 

The the main problem is I love to ski bumps . The aformentioned skis all were useable in bumps but far from perfect due their stiffness. There was always the trade-off between bumps and ice performance .  The result has been that the people at the consignment sale for our local ski shop know me on a first name basis . wink.gif

 

 I recently caught the end of the season sale at our local ski shop and bought the Kastle MX 83. I know a lot has been said about this ski,but it is really the perfect combination for Eastern skiing.


 

We recently had a spring skiing day where we had the weather of three seasons all in one day . It started with ice and snow showers in the morning and then progressed to 47 degrees, sun and large soft bumps.

 

This ski was able to make slalom turns on Eastern blue ice in the morning.

 

When it  slushy, you could ski in a more neutral position, and without pushing the ski you could easily skid and have a more docile ski that was not edgey. I was able to surf over the clumps of slush.

 

The tip is relatively soft and skiing bumps was a blast. 

 

Honestly, In 35 years of skiing I have never skied a ski that was this good.  They have the flex perfect.  The tip is relatively soft and sucks you into the turn.  The tail is strong and finishes the turn.  Big sweet spot, I think anyone could use this ski.  For a more advanced skier the ski comes alive when pushed.  It reaches a point, when the ski is pressured, that the ski starts pushing back and really feels like a race ski.

 

We skied everything that day:ice, steep, bumps and fast. With the changing conditions that day it was a good test for the varied abilities of this ski. Here is the GPS from part of the afternoon.

 

 

I don't know how they accomplished this all in one ski but it is like having a race carver, a freeride ski and a mogul ski all in one. 

 

Our season is coming to an end in the East.  I am glad I got this last day in and do not have to wonder all summer how this ski feels.

 

Does anyone want to buy a pair of lightly used Dynastar Contact 4x4's?biggrin.gif

 

 

No argument from me here. I've owned four of the six skis on your list, so I know of what you speak. I've also had a chance to ski the MX 83. There are only two reasons why I don't have a pair yet. One is I can't decide on a length. The other is I haven't figured out how I'm going to keep my wife from finding out about them. 

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I'd rather have the "race carver, a freeride ski and a mogul ski".

 

I don't care how well it may work in each of these venues, a dedicated ski will do it even better...

 

 

Lol...  OBVIOUS MAN TO THE RESCUE! 

post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by TheArchitect View Post

It's VERY tasty, ain't it?

I guess given the reviews, I should not be surprised I like it as much as I do.

post #17 of 29
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I guess given the reviews, I should not be surprised I like it as much as I do.

 

No, probably not.  I do my best to keep from being a fanboy for the products I buy but it's a losing battle with Kastle.  The thing is, I can honestly say I'm skiing better than I have on any other ski I've owned, and it's by a wide margin.  It's hard to describe but the MX88's ski so easily for me that its allowed me to concentrate on improving my technique instead of thinking about what my ski might do if I'm not careful.  Every shape turn I throw at them is effortless.  High speed on groomers?  No problemo.  Crud?  Like it's not there.  Skiing my P9's in crud was an adventure.  The MX88's are good for me in the bumps and trees as well but as I said up-thread, I wish they were a bit softer when I'm skiing those types of trails.  Then again, maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to add the FX94 to my collection. smile.gif  Maybe I should just get it over with, sell the Progressors and pick up the FX's.  I really can't see skiing the P9's again.

 

[/fanboy]

post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

 

Well then for you an all mountain ski might be the best compromise.

 

This time of year I ski a hard snow carver for the first few hours until the sun/temps soften up the snow. Then I'll switch to a 95-105mm crudbuster for the mashed potatos and corn till days end. Yes, you can surly do it on one pair of skis but for me it's more fun my way. yahoo.gif

Well, it's especially more fun if someone 1) owns more than one ski, and then 2) can have more than one ski close enough to the slope to justify switching. First requires a certain financial largess (and possibly a broad-minded spouse.) Second requires either lugging two skis up to the lodge and making sure you end up there when the snow changes (easy for a small resort with one main lodge at the base, logistically hilarious at a big place), or having a locker (but still same issues about where), or enjoying doing a daily round trip to your car grinding away your soles, say rather than wasting that time eating lunch with friends. 

 

Just sayin'...

post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mac View Post

 

 

No argument from me here. I've owned four of the six skis on your list, so I know of what you speak. I've also had a chance to ski the MX 83. There are only two reasons why I don't have a pair yet. One is I can't decide on a length. The other is I haven't figured out how I'm going to keep my wife from finding out about them. 

You have to pay cash and hide the receipt  wink.gif    I agonized over the size also.  I think I made the right decision with the  173.  It really is quick.

post #20 of 29

I'm 6'1", 215 lbs. I skied the 183, and I couldn't believe how quick it was in that length. Made me think I was on a shorter ski. Besides, I don't think my wife will even notice. I go through skis so fast, she gave up trying to keep track. I'll just put them down on my business expense account at work. devil.gif

post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by TheArchitect View Post

 

No, probably not.  I do my best to keep from being a fanboy for the products I buy but it's a losing battle with Kastle.  The thing is, I can honestly say I'm skiing better than I have on any other ski I've owned, and it's by a wide margin.  It's hard to describe but the MX88's ski so easily for me that its allowed me to concentrate on improving my technique instead of thinking about what my ski might do if I'm not careful.  Every shape turn I throw at them is effortless.  High speed on groomers?  No problemo.  Crud?  Like it's not there.  Skiing my P9's in crud was an adventure.  The MX88's are good for me in the bumps and trees as well but as I said up-thread, I wish they were a bit softer when I'm skiing those types of trails.  Then again, maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to add the FX94 to my collection. smile.gif  Maybe I should just get it over with, sell the Progressors and pick up the FX's.  I really can't see skiing the P9's again.

 

[/fanboy]

I was glad to get rid if my Progressor 9+.  Great carver, but really a one trick pony. 

 

I just have the one day on the new Kastle's, but it was such varied conditions that I really felt I had a good overview of the ski's abilities.  Everything you just stated was my experience also.  I have no allegiance to any brand either.  I always  put Kastle out of my mind due to the expense.  I just happened to hit a year end sale at the right time.

 

I usually try to buy a new ski only after a demo. Without a demo I have been burned a few times.

Dawgcatching seems to have similar perceptions about skis to me.  I have skied many of the skis he reviews.  When I read  his reviews I usually have an identical opinion of the ski.  With his stellar review of the MX 83, I felt comfortable with the purchase even without a demo.  I am sure glad I moved forward .

 

I think you should get the FX 94 ! icon14.gif

post #22 of 29

I'm going to try and demo the FX94 next season.  If it gives me what I'm looking for in the bumps and trees then I'll look for an end-of-season sale.  If not I'll have to suffer with the MX88's wink.gif

post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by TheArchitect View Post

I'm going to try and demo the FX94 next season.  If it gives me what I'm looking for in the bumps and trees then I'll look for an end-of-season sale.  If not I'll have to suffer with the MX88's wink.gif

And of course, you will then tell us all about it! wink.gif

We'll be waiting...

post #24 of 29

If I find a place that demo's them I'll be sure to post up after.

post #25 of 29

I think you could have some luck around Stowe... When I was searching for buying Kastle skis on the net, I saw a couple of ski shop around Stowe that seems to have demos...

post #26 of 29

 Alpine Options at Sugarbush has them.  And I think Skiershop in Stowe does too.

post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post

I think you could have some luck around Stowe... When I was searching for buying Kastle skis on the net, I saw a couple of ski shop around Stowe that seems to have demos...

 

http://www.skiershop.com/ (owned by our very own Whiteroom) definitely sells Kastle's.  Not aware of anybody else in Stowe itself that does though.

post #28 of 29

Hey! Maybe we could organized a Kastle  epicski demo day next year!!!biggrin.gif

post #29 of 29

Thanks for the suggestions. I suspected there might be options around Stowe and Sugarbush. 

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