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Possible self-FAIL: Did I mount too far back??

post #1 of 9
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Well I hope I'm wrong.


I'm wondering if I could get some feedback: I'd like to know if I messed up the mounting position on my brand new Line Opuses, with bindings mounted 3cm behind centre - and if I did, how bad would it be to redrill my bindings?


Quick background: today I bought these 185cm Opuses and Tyrolia Adrenaline 16 touring bindings. I am, predictably, very psyched. They're my first fat and/or rockered ski - my "daily drivers" have been a pair of 2006 Dynastar Legend 8000's and I was looking for some fun, tree-friendly powder skis. It came down to the Bent Chetlers and the Opuses. I decided on the latter for their slightly better all-mountain capability and they were also $100 cheaper. I had demoed both skis multiple times, always centre mounted, and always felt there was a bit too much tail when i skied.


I'm an advanced/expert skier, 6'1, 180 lbs, 33 years old. I mentioned to the salesman that I was more of a directional skier - or rather i don't ski switch at all, and though I understood the ski was designed to be center-mounted, I asked him if it might still make sense to mount the bindings further back to suit my style. 


The salesman replied that, anecdotally, he had recently sold the same skis to a guy who had asked to have his bindings mounted 3cm back from centre, and that customer subsequently loved that setup. So I asked the salesman to do the same for me: 3cm back from centre. Done, done, and paid for.


Now I'm looking at them, and it seems like there's way too little tail. Have I just screwed up an awesome pair of skis? I know the obvious answer is: go ski them and find out. But I won't be skiing for another week, and I'm wondering if I should head back to the shop before then and ask to redrill to only 1cm or 2cm back instead. Does that even make sense?


Sorry for rambling but any and all feedback would be much appreciated. I'm hoping I'm just worrying about nothing and have not, in fact, ruined what would've been an awesome pair of skis.





post #2 of 9

They certainly are not "ruined". However the marked boot center is supposedly the spot for most line skis - including the Opus IIRC. I'm not super familiar with the ski, so I'm not sure how exactly the mark relates to "true center", but if you are not close to that mark (as in within a cm), you might consider moving to it. 


Regardless of whether or not you ski switch, or aspire to do so, IMO mounting too far back on that class of ski kills its intended skiing characteristics. 


That said, you could always take them for a spin and see how you like 'em. It is not like they'll be harder to remount after skiing a few laps.

post #3 of 9
I would be inclined to try them out first. I often ski my Mantras at -3 ( railflex bindings) and have my Ninthward THA's at -4. I do this when skiing predominately off piste, on the line for hard snow though.
post #4 of 9

The binding is deceptive, the short toe combined with the full length of the heel track+climbing/ski mode lever behind that makes it look very rear-mounted, it's an illusion. Don't stress, go ski.

post #5 of 9

I had demoed both skis multiple times, always centre mounted, and always felt there was a bit too much tail when i skied.



Most demo bindings can be moved forward or back- for future reference, I would take advantage of this feature before drilling a new pair of skis.


With that said, you haven't ruined the skis, just reduced their resale value if you decide to sell them with an extra set of holes.  Behind the line works better for some people/skis, so I would take them out before stressing any further.

post #6 of 9
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Hey guys, thanks for all your responses. Sounds like I a) was needlessly stressing, and b) really just need to take them out and find out how they ski. I'll reply to each below:


Spindrift: yeah, I realize these kinds of skis were designed to be centre-mounted. But the salesman was pretty convincing that 3cm back would be fine for a "traditional," forward leaning, racer-type skiing style (I'm certainly not blaming him, it was obviously my call). Between that and feeling like I had too much tail when I demoed, I figured 3cm back wouldn't be a bad idea. Anyhow, I'll ski them first and then decide if I wanna move 'em up.


craigr: Thanks, that's good to know. Hadn't heard of the Ninthward THA's but just Googled and they seem to be the same type of skis as my MPO's. Do you have adjustable bindings on those skis? The more I think about it, I'm thinking the only real disadvantage I foresee to being mounted further back is loss of a bit of maneuverability in the trees, which is sort of what I wanted these for. Then again, they already do ski quite short, so I'm guessing the extra 3cm of shovel should still be fine.


Whiteroom: Thanks, good point. I really should just ski them first before I think of redrilling. And very good point about the bindings: I took another look and realized this after I had posted here - it is a bit of an optical illusion.


MEfree30: yeah, the demo bindings were definitely adjustable, and that's another thing I was thinking about, post-purchase yesterday: why, oh why did I not demo them further back than I did? Ah well, lesson learned.


One final question: if I do decide to re-drill at some point, resale value aside, how bad is it for the ski? Does it compromise the structural integrity of the ski in any meaningful way - especially if I re-drill as little as 1cm away from the original drill point? 


Regardless, really glad to hear I did not "ruin" the skis and I'm definitely gonna go ski them first.


Thanks again for everyone's feedback!



post #7 of 9
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In case anyone was curious, here's an update: I took the Opuses up to Whistler this past Saturday, with probably the most variable conditions I've experienced on a mountain infamous for variable conditions. ~ 6 inches fresh, over crusty spring snow, high alpine freeing level so slush and corn snow towards the midstation. The Peak chair opened late after avy blasting, and I did 4 quick, leg-burning laps down Whistler Bowl/Shale Slope. 


Verdict: in the open steep-and-somewhat-deep, they were awesome. At my relatively light weight and the relatively "traditional" mounting point of the bindings, they were great  chargers down the steeps and variable snow, and still quite maneuverable when I needed to make quick turns. I was able to lean forward and ski in an aggressive, Big Mountain-style (or the closest I could imitate), and the skis were ready and willing. I did get the sense that I had to work them a smidge harder to turn than I would have had the bindings been properly center-moutned, however I liked the extra stability I had - or at least I perceived I had - with the longer shovel.


As these are my first truly fat and rockered skis, I still need to learn to modify my technique and not instinctively sit back as much as I would have on narrower boards in deeper snow, but regardless I had no issues with sinking the tips, even in the heavy spring gloop. Also, and maybe this should have been obvious, but I was surprised at how bad the Opuses were on harder/variable snow. I had read that they were still pretty good at carving on hardpack - but I'm coming from a 78mm all-moutnain ski, so I think i just had unrealistic expectations. But in case there was any doubt, these are not a one-quiver-ski, even for Western resorts.


I also still can't decide if they're as maneuverable as I was hoping they'd be in tighter spots. I skied a good bit of bumps and tight tree runs towards day's end, and they felt sluggish - of course, my guess is the "sluggishness" had more to do with the exhausted driver than the equipment. Anyhow the verdict is still out on the maneuverability. As has been mentioned, I can always redrill in a season or two if I find I'm really missing out on the ability to turn quickly.


But again, overall, in the soft snow for where the Opuses are intended, the skis were great and the mounting point has worked out very well so far. 

post #8 of 9

Nice!  Glad to hear you are happy with them.  Plan C could be to ski them quite a bit then try a different mount when you have grown tired/bored of the skis as is.  It would be like getting a different pair of skis out of them after a season or two ;-)

post #9 of 9
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Thanks crgildart, yeah, that sounds like a good plan and most likely what I'll end up doing.




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