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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Last weekend, I posted this:

http://www.epicski.com/t/119529/how-am-i-doing-ma

 

And was mostly told I'm a bad skier. Today I got two videos recorded, first one on a shallow slope, second a little steeper. I think it looks much better this time. I'm mostly doing carving in these, especially the first one. Today's skiing was much slower, especially with sticky spring conditions. I'm usually not carving turns down the slope  in the second video, it feels too steep for that normally. After a couple hours, the snow was almost like wet sand.

 

So how am I doing in these two videos? How's my stance? Is my pole plant/dragging the normal thing to do? Say anything else that you see.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLCPNk_76TY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJArbXXpd30

post #2 of 16

Your not a bad skier. You just have room for improvement. Look where your Hips are in these 3 frames. Behind your feet! Most of the folks on this BB are advanced skiers if not pros. Part of getting to be a better skier is not letting your pride get in the way. The other part is  a lot of practice and lessons. Good luck.

post #3 of 16
No skiing is bad. Some is just better.

Your turn initiation move is quick and UP. You'll do better to move diagonally forward and toward the turn direction when you extend in a progressive nature.

You mostly face the fronts of the skis when you finish a turn. Your feet/skis should turn more than your torso at the ends of turns.

You let your inside hand fall back and out of your view. Look at Slider's last photo.
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by slider View Post

 Look where your Hips are in these 3 frames. Behind your feet!

 

I seem to have a problem with standing too far back. Are there any tips to try to fix this? I get a feeling I might feel like I'm falling forward if I lean to much to the front!

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post

No skiing is bad. Some is just better.
 

 

Not sure what this means

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post

Your turn initiation move is quick and UP. You'll do better to move diagonally forward and toward the turn direction when you extend in a progressive nature.

 

What do you mean by "quick and up"? Actually I don't understand most of what you're saying...

post #5 of 16

Do not fold at the waist forward. Instead bend your knees so that your shins are pressed into your front boot tongues when you start a turn. It pressures your ski tips and moves the CoM down the hill. That goes for the Hands too. Move your whole body down the hill. Like I said before you have athletic ability. I see a good skier hiding in there but it takes time to fine tune the movements. Take lessons when you can. That's the short cut to good skiing.

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

 still sounds really difficult! One thing I don't quite understand about how to stand, is that since you're going downhill, the tendency is to lean back so you are standing straight up in relation to gravity. What it sounds like is that I should be standing straight up in relation to the hill, which in a way, is falling forward!

post #7 of 16

http://www.youtube.com/

 

Search for ski lessons. That ought to keep you busy.

post #8 of 16

nemesis im a beginner just like you and I had the same problem few weeks ago, heres the explanation of what to do in pictures:

 

 

On the upper pic ur going to certainly be pulled into the backseat

You need to flex the ankle like shown on the bottom picture with the blue so the legs touch ur boot tongue as shown with the green cross.

post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by slider View Post

http://www.youtube.com/

Search for ski lessons. That ought to keep you busy.

Two of the better ones:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2jvpwCE6Ybmizxid2qnRHg

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXWPpzTnLBW07i-5e8Jil9Q
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by nemesis256 View Post

 still sounds really difficult! One thing I don't quite understand about how to stand, is that since you're going downhill, the tendency is to lean back so you are standing straight up in relation to gravity. What it sounds like is that I should be standing straight up in relation to the hill, which in a way, is falling forward!

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!  We have a winner.

 

Skiing is a controlled fall.  You can either catch yourself to prevent or slow the falling, or you can embrace it and use (control)  the fall to get where you want to go.  You want to be straight up in relation to the hill.

 

 

 

 

If you were in the triangle the same way but with the base of the triangle on your ski, you would be neutral.  It is counter intuitive to do this.  Do it anyway.

 

 

What is behind the green vertical line is holding you back.  It prevents you from doing all types or things and you end up compensating or not advancing.

 

Look at the pics that iLoveSkiing did.  Notice in the bottom picture that the shin and spine are parallel.  You want that.  What you have to remember is that when you are skiing, you have to constantly regain your ground for being in front.  It isn't only on the first turn but on every turn.

 

Something to consider is your boots might be too big or too stiff.  Most skiers are.  Both issues will help keep you in the back seat.

 

Your skiing isn't bad.  It can be better though.  Keep at it.  The better you get the more fun you can have.

 

Have fun,

 

Ken


Edited by L&AirC - 3/31/13 at 7:08pm
post #11 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by slider

Look where your Hips are in these 3 frames. Behind your feet!

I seem to have a problem with standing too far back. Are there any tips to try to fix this? I get a feeling I might feel like I'm falling forward if I lean to much to the front!

Stand up in your boots on the skis, rock forward and back and feel the pressures along the bottoms of your feet move forward and back. Slow/stop the movements when you can feel the pressure equally along the whole foot. Then flex your ankles slightly. Now your shins are in contact with the cuffs of your boots and you still can feel the whole bottom of each foot. That's where you want to stand regardless of the pitch of the slope.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson

No skiing is bad. Some is just better.


Not sure what this means

Just an effort to take away from your opinion that you're skiing poorly. You're not skiing poorly, but you could ski better.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson

Your turn initiation move is quick and UP. You'll do better to move diagonally forward and toward the turn direction when you extend in a progressive nature.

What do you mean by "quick and up"? Actually I don't understand most of what you're saying...

Watch your head in your videos. It pops up at the start of each turn. You are extending in a rapid upward movement. You want to extend in a forward (along the skis) and sideways (toward the apex of the turn) rising movement so that your body moves into the turn, not up like the trees grow.
post #12 of 16

http://www.wbsss.com/training/a_and_d_videos/

 

Go here and watch a few sessions. Also watch the Training Vids. The answers are here without any BS...

post #13 of 16

Not sure what was going on with post #10 but the pictures I was referencing are now there.

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by nemesis256 View Post

Last weekend, I posted this:

http://www.epicski.com/t/119529/how-am-i-doing-ma

 

And was mostly told I'm a bad skier. Today I got two videos recorded, first one on a shallow slope, second a little steeper. I think it looks much better this time. I'm mostly doing carving in these, especially the first one. Today's skiing was much slower, especially with sticky spring conditions. I'm usually not carving turns down the slope  in the second video, it feels too steep for that normally. After a couple hours, the snow was almost like wet sand.

 

So how am I doing in these two videos? How's my stance? Is my pole plant/dragging the normal thing to do? Say anything else that you see.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLCPNk_76TY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJArbXXpd30

 

Much better, safer skiing in these videos. 

 

Folks have already commented on how to attain a more centered, mobile stance. Your comments about "falling forward" are accurate - you want your upper body to continue to move downhill all the time, and your skis to arc around. As Slider mentioned, rather than bending at the waist, you'll want to flex/extend more through your knees and ankles to manage pressures and assist with starting your turns if necessary. I think of a good starting point as toes lined up under the knees lined up under the nose (toe-knee-nose/tony knows). 

 

A good external cue for you is to pretend that you have a sign on your chest that you need people to be able to read. Keep that sign visible by showing off your chest. (If you crumple at the waist, people can't see the sign.) For exercises, hopping throughout the turn will help with stance&balance and becoming more mobile. See this video for an example: 

Hopping through turns is a good diagnostic - if you can't get the tails off the snow, you're too far back. If you can't get the tips off, you're too far forward.  

 

Once you're dialed into balance, I'd like to see you starting to steer your skis more. Turn shape is essential for managing your speed as you progress to steeper pitches. By turn shape, I mean creating more pronounced C shaped turns, rather than just slightly steering out of the fall line. To create more turn shape, you can roll the skis on edge, or turn the skis with your foot/femur in the hip socket--or ideally apply a combination of both. If we were doing lessons, we'd likely use sideslips, hockey stops, and eventually bracquage/pivot slips to develop your steering skills. Here are some PSIA level 3 instructors doing pivot slips: 

It looks like Bob Barnes worked on this video..hmm. 

 

A few more things we'd want to work on are balancing over the outside ski (instead of falling onto the inside ski), and creating more edge angle... let's not get ahead of ourselves though, as creating a centered and mobile stance should be your #1 priority, followed by creating more turn shape. 

 

I also remember that you do want to ski fast. One idea from Bob Barnes that will help your skiing is skiing the slow line fast. On that pitch, by making clean carves, you could double your speed while turning twice as much. You'd also be even safer to ski around. That's one skill of a good skier - being able to ski the slow line fast. 


Edited by Metaphor_ - 4/2/13 at 2:29am
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 

thank you for all the posts, very helpful! Unfortunately, my season is over, but I've made notes and will be rereading this next year!

post #16 of 16

I got tired just watching ralph lol but, great drill :)

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